Nacho Beristain: Marquez doesn't have the speed!

[CutMeMick]

perfect timing kills speed.

"The Nacho Way" as I like to call it is all about timing and precise punching.

To be quite honest all this speed and muscle and defense and offense things are not on my mind. The 2 more important questions for me are:

1. Does JMM have the strenght/power to either hurt or cause PBF damage.

2. Will JMM be able to fight 12 rounds at this weight.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

perfect timing kills speed.

"The Nacho Way" as I like to call it is all about timing and precise punching.

To be quite honest all this speed and muscle and defense and offense things are not on my mind. The 2 more important questions for me are:

1. Does JMM have the strenght/power to either hurt or cause PBF damage.

2. Will JMM be able to fight 12 rounds at this weight.

I would agree with you on the 'Speed vs Timing' thing but Floyd also has phenomenal timing and reflexes to boot. So Marquez is gonna have to retain his own speed and hope that Mayweather is rusty.

Speed, Strength, Defence, Accuracy, Power... All these things are stacked in Mayweathers favour.

The one thing that really matters for me is Marquez' game plan and his willingness to execute it.... Regardless of all his deficiencies.

[mnmc10]

you really cant compare a olympic sprinters muscles to a boxer. a boxer needs stamina sprinters has very little. marathon runner maybe and we all know how a marathon runners physique is.


you can gain weight by just eating a lot and get fat or eat and build up muscles. a boxers speed might be affected a little since you gained more weight.

[Gandalf]

Marquez does look unnaturally buffed up. I have always worried about how he might carry the weight as he is old and not growing into it naturally like Manny is. Marquez looks a bit weird being so stocky.

It would be strange for a boxers trainer to so openly belittle his own fighter, so I think it's a bluff. I hope Marquez pulls off a shocker of a win, but I'm nervous for him because I always thought it was a peculiar fight to make.

[generalbulldog]

As much as I am a fan of JMM this fight shouldn't have been made. It's just so much a complete mismatch. Power, youth, speed, skills, size, everything is in Floyd's favor.

[Addicted to_boxing]

You guys are trying to be scientific when it is common sense. It all in the Glutes. Most power is generated by lower body strength. The rest can be attributed to long arms ( with speed and extension) Marquez has both average . Strictly relies on tecnique and heart. Pac has greater lower body strength and speed with extension which carries up in weight


So given that information who was the last fighter Pac fought with great lower body strength and / or upper body strength? Morales the sole exception with 173cm. However he had no noted quickness at that stage of his boxing career ( never considered a KO artist ) Never able to use his quickness and length for power like Hearns.

So out of curiosity which "athlete" has Pac fought? Most have been average athletes over 30 years of age and on the end of their fighting careers, battle worn and with straight foward styles. Now Cotto does meet the challenge on paper but Margarito already did a "Color Me Mine " plaster job on Cotto so Pac should not receive credit for sending him into retirement just another " has been" Pac opponent.


There are only 4 opponents that stand a chance against Pac


JMM @ 135 More than this weight is a great advantage to Pac
Soto @ 135 More than this weight is a great advantage to Pac

PBF @147 asking this guy to weigh less is bullshit
Mosley @147 asking this guy to weigh less is bullshit
Why not have Pac weigh 10-12 lbs less in 3 more years and have him fight Abner Mares?
This is the same kinda BS his camp is pulling now

[Addicted to_boxing]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm Sounds like Pac's opponents lacking: Power, youth, and speed,. Who was the last one that had these attributes?

[Youngblood]

This isn't a Pac thread, ffs. Is it possible to stick to the subject without going off on some sorta "ya but Pac is awesome" or "ya but Pac is shit" tangent?

[CFH]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm Sounds like Pac's opponents lacking: Power, youth, and speed,. Who was the last one that had these attributes?

The irony is that you're fundamentally the same as the posters you claim to be opposed to.

[mnmc10]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm Sounds like Pac's opponents lacking: Power, youth, and speed,. Who was the last one that had these attributes?

youve been bashing pac for the longest time man! do you really think that you can change the way we think about pac? last time i checked pac fans outnumbers pac haters world wide. you and your gang can hate on pac 24/7 maybe convince some saddo forumers to join your group. you can shoo or get some pacfanatics banned in thi forum but you guys wont be able to convince the whole world that pac is just an ordinary boxer who fought old boxers who by the way does good against other fighters but not versus pac.

pac nuthuggers over praises pac as much as haters bash on him. the way i see it everytime a nuthugger mentions pacs name haters just jump on it immediately like a fish foolishly biting on a fishing hook with no bait. lol this is stupid!

[markb018]

This article was already proven bogus. If you goto eastside boxing they did an interview with nacho, jmm and odlh. Nacho says he is very pleased with how training is going and the speed is there if not better

[jokaleras]

This article was already proven bogus. If you goto eastside boxing they did an interview with nacho, jmm and odlh. Nacho says he is very pleased with how training is going and the speed is there if not better

nice. thanks for that.

[ICB]

I know this article is bogus, but are people forgetting Manny Pacquiao. Is faster than JMM, yet JMM was still very effective against Manny Pacquiao. Because JMM has excellent timing, speed isn't everything.

[Nameless]

I know this article is bogus, but are people forgetting Manny Pacquiao. Is faster than JMM, yet JMM was still very effective against Manny Pacquiao. Because JMM has excellent timing, speed isn't everything.

That's for sure, personally, I think that too many peoples are counting JMM as dead right now way too fast, we have to give Moneyfloyd the edge but I don't think it'll be a one sided decision like many think it will be.

[SRR]

I know this article is bogus, but are people forgetting Manny Pacquiao. Is faster than JMM, yet JMM was still very effective against Manny Pacquiao. Because JMM has excellent timing, speed isn't everything.

You are right, but what is going to be interesting to observe is whether Mayweather allows this to count. I mean, yes, JMM's excellent timing worked fantastically against Pacquiao, who only knows one way to fight - in and out, aggressive. If Mayweather decides to just counter and go for points, I favour Mayweather. If Mayweather decides to go on the offensive at any point Marquez will hurt him, and might even stop him if PBF goes toe-to-toe for a sustained period. But we all know that PBF is not likely to jeopardize a victory in order to look good, and will probably just allow JMM to be the aggressor in the first half of the fight, making him miss big wherever he can, and then take control with crisp counter punching in the second half of the fight - just as he did with De La Hoya.