I'm not even arguing Couture's as good as Penn or anything I don't think that, but Couture has fought bigger guys too, almost all the time at heavyweight. He's also got a lot of good wins.

Anyway there's no point in going around in circles, I'll just say again no way anyone could ever convince me he's mediocre. Chris Leben is mediocre to me, we must have vastly different standards of mediocrity.