Do you think in our lifetime we'll ever see..

[CGM]

A federal boxing commission in the states that only recognized one belt and only allowed sanctioning fees for that belt would essentially destroy the alphabets. Sure they could operate outside of the US but if you if a fighter can't wear your belt to the ring in Vegas the worth of it is meaningless.

And make it illegal for anyone else to offer up title belts? Or rich purses? It's one thing for the government to recognize only one body, It's something else altogether to force everyone else to recognise it. Can you honestly see the government making it illegal to set up rival sanctioning bodies? Or making it illegal for fighters to fight for They would no more do that than they would pass a law making it illegal to start up a new football league, or a new hockey league. Nor should they.

[SweetPea]

No, the sanctioning bodies are here to stay and there will always be multiple belts.

What we can hope for is that more and more top fighters will ignore sanctioning body belts and will focus more on fighting the biggest name opponents for more money instead of fighting worthless mandatory challengers just to hang on to a belt.

[CGM]

No, the sanctioning bodies are here to stay and there will always be multiple belts.

What we can hope for is that more and more top fighters will ignore sanctioning body belts and will focus more on fighting the biggest name opponents for more money instead of fighting worthless mandatory challengers just to hang on to a belt.

I think most hardcore boxing fans would welcome that. But the problem is, there isn't enough big names. to keep the general public interested. Without the draw of the phrase "title fight". You lose a lot of interest from the general public, and boxing can't really afford that.

[Galaxy]

No, the sanctioning bodies are here to stay and there will always be multiple belts.

What we can hope for is that more and more top fighters will ignore sanctioning body belts and will focus more on fighting the biggest name opponents for more money instead of fighting worthless mandatory challengers just to hang on to a belt.

I think most hardcore boxing fans would welcome that. But the problem is, there isn't enough big names. to keep the general public interested. Without the draw of the phrase "title fight". You lose a lot of interest from the general public, and boxing can't really afford that.

I think Sweetpea hit the nail on the head about fighters ignoring the alphabet idiots & making fights the fans want to see!

CGM is correct in a sense that the general public maybe fooled by the phrase 'title fight' but if boxing continues to match the best against the best & makes quality match-ups then it can only help the sport.

I truly hope/d Cotto & Pacquiao tell Jose where he can shove that diamond piece of sh*t! Who needs it? Its a great fight, that's the bottom line, no title just 2 top guys going at it... just what I like to see!!!

[generalbulldog]

A federal boxing commission in the states that only recognized one belt and only allowed sanctioning fees for that belt would essentially destroy the alphabets. Sure they could operate outside of the US but if you if a fighter can't wear your belt to the ring in Vegas the worth of it is meaningless.

And make it illegal for anyone else to offer up title belts? Or rich purses? It's one thing for the government to recognize only one body, It's something else altogether to force everyone else to recognise it. Can you honestly see the government making it illegal to set up rival sanctioning bodies? Or making it illegal for fighters to fight for They would no more do that than they would pass a law making it illegal to start up a new football league, or a new hockey league. Nor should they.

You have a great point. Even though all boxing fans don't like the organizational nonsense, it can be much worse. Just take a look at MMA where teh UFC has an almost monopoly on the sport. Their biggest stars only make a few hundred grand compared to the biggest stars in boxing and those guys take considerable risk.

[VictorCharlie]

A federal boxing commission in the states that only recognized one belt and only allowed sanctioning fees for that belt would essentially destroy the alphabets. Sure they could operate outside of the US but if you if a fighter can't wear your belt to the ring in Vegas the worth of it is meaningless.

And make it illegal for anyone else to offer up title belts? Or rich purses? It's one thing for the government to recognize only one body, It's something else altogether to force everyone else to recognise it. Can you honestly see the government making it illegal to set up rival sanctioning bodies? Or making it illegal for fighters to fight for They would no more do that than they would pass a law making it illegal to start up a new football league, or a new hockey league. Nor should they.

You have a great point. Even though all boxing fans don't like the organizational nonsense, it can be much worse. Just take a look at MMA where teh UFC has an almost monopoly on the sport. Their biggest stars only make a few hundred grand compared to the biggest stars in boxing and those guys take considerable risk.

How is the UFC putting on 1-2 fight cards a month comprised of 10 fights and usually exactly the fights the fans want to see for the same price boxing charges for PPV's consisting of 1 to 3 fights tops, not good for the fans?

[Violent Demise]

And make it illegal for anyone else to offer up title belts? Or rich purses? It's one thing for the government to recognize only one body, It's something else altogether to force everyone else to recognise it. Can you honestly see the government making it illegal to set up rival sanctioning bodies? Or making it illegal for fighters to fight for They would no more do that than they would pass a law making it illegal to start up a new football league, or a new hockey league. Nor should they.

You have a great point. Even though all boxing fans don't like the organizational nonsense, it can be much worse. Just take a look at MMA where teh UFC has an almost monopoly on the sport. Their biggest stars only make a few hundred grand compared to the biggest stars in boxing and those guys take considerable risk.

How is the UFC putting on 1-2 fight cards a month comprised of 10 fights and usually exactly the fights the fans want to see for the same price boxing charges for PPV's consisting of 1 to 3 fights tops, not good for the fans?

It's not. I'm sure it's great for them. But lets see where these MMA fighters are 10 years down the line. Broken and struggling for money cuz they made chump change in there prime years. The fact that Brock Leshner made more as a WWE character than he does now is actually pretty fukking sad.

[VictorCharlie]

You have a great point. Even though all boxing fans don't like the organizational nonsense, it can be much worse. Just take a look at MMA where teh UFC has an almost monopoly on the sport. Their biggest stars only make a few hundred grand compared to the biggest stars in boxing and those guys take considerable risk.

How is the UFC putting on 1-2 fight cards a month comprised of 10 fights and usually exactly the fights the fans want to see for the same price boxing charges for PPV's consisting of 1 to 3 fights tops, not good for the fans?

It's not. I'm sure it's great for them. But lets see where these MMA fighters are 10 years down the line. Broken and struggling for money cuz they made chump change in there prime years. The fact that Brock Leshner made more as a WWE character than he does now is actually pretty fukking sad.

I tell you what check the status of the last few MMA orgs that attempted to outspend the UFC for fighters. Bodog, EliteXC, IFL and Affliction? All are closed for business. Fighter salaries that are posted do not include the shit load of money they get from sponsors who often are procured through the UFC. Sure 45K is peanuts compared some boxing paydays but its not boxing so why yall expect the pay to be on par I dont understand and to make that pay day 3-4 times a year is 3-4 times more than I make a year getting shot at. Taking sponorship, owning their own gyms and fighter salaries I doubt you will see a lot of top MMA fighters "broke and struggling" ten years from now. Some of you guys kill me with this pay thing. Yall bash the sport as not being close to as good as boxing and devoid of talent and world class athletes then want to suggest they should get comparable pay. Its one or the other gents.

[Violent Demise]

How is the UFC putting on 1-2 fight cards a month comprised of 10 fights and usually exactly the fights the fans want to see for the same price boxing charges for PPV's consisting of 1 to 3 fights tops, not good for the fans?

It's not. I'm sure it's great for them. But lets see where these MMA fighters are 10 years down the line. Broken and struggling for money cuz they made chump change in there prime years. The fact that Brock Leshner made more as a WWE character than he does now is actually pretty fukking sad.

I tell you what check the status of the last few MMA orgs that attempted to outspend the UFC for fighters. Bodog, EliteXC, IFL and Affliction? All are closed for business. Fighter salaries that are posted do not include the shit load of money they get from sponsors who often are procured through the UFC. Sure 45K is peanuts compared some boxing paydays but its not boxing so why yall expect the pay to be on par I dont understand and to make that pay day 3-4 times a year is 3-4 times more than I make a year getting shot at. Taking sponorship, owning their own gyms and fighter salaries I doubt you will see a lot of top MMA fighters "broke and struggling" ten years from now. Some of you guys kill me with this pay thing. Yall bash the sport as not being close to as good as boxing and devoid of talent and world class athletes then want to suggest they should get comparable pay. Its one or the other gents.

Like in Boxing and every other sport the big names ain't the problem. I'm sure fighters like Randy Couture, Quinton Jackson and Tito Ortiz eat very well and will be looked after once they retire. But what about the rest? You going to tell me sponsors are giving big money to fighters like Heath Herring and Jake O'Brien? Come on now. If the top dogs are getting around $250,000 what the fukk are they getting? Or is it that they don't count?

[Kirkland Laing]

I think we'll see one title per weight division (but more than eight divisions) at some point in a decade or three, probably closer to three. For it to happen boxing will have to decline a lot in popularity from where it is now to the extent that investors form a UFC-style organisation and sign all the top talent up. And it'll be really good. We'll have constant Super Six-style tournaments going on in each weight division. For boxing to get better it'll have to get worse first and luckily we've got just the right bunch of guys running the industry to make sure that'll happen.

[VictorCharlie]

It's not. I'm sure it's great for them. But lets see where these MMA fighters are 10 years down the line. Broken and struggling for money cuz they made chump change in there prime years. The fact that Brock Leshner made more as a WWE character than he does now is actually pretty fukking sad.

I tell you what check the status of the last few MMA orgs that attempted to outspend the UFC for fighters. Bodog, EliteXC, IFL and Affliction? All are closed for business. Fighter salaries that are posted do not include the shit load of money they get from sponsors who often are procured through the UFC. Sure 45K is peanuts compared some boxing paydays but its not boxing so why yall expect the pay to be on par I dont understand and to make that pay day 3-4 times a year is 3-4 times more than I make a year getting shot at. Taking sponorship, owning their own gyms and fighter salaries I doubt you will see a lot of top MMA fighters "broke and struggling" ten years from now. Some of you guys kill me with this pay thing. Yall bash the sport as not being close to as good as boxing and devoid of talent and world class athletes then want to suggest they should get comparable pay. Its one or the other gents.

Like in Boxing and every other sport the big names ain't the problem. I'm sure fighters like Randy Couture, Quinton Jackson and Tito Ortiz eat very well and will be looked after once they retire. But what about the rest? You going to tell me sponsors are giving big money to fighters like Heath Herring and Jake O'Brien? Come on now. If the top dogs are getting around $250,000 what the fukk are they getting? Or is it that they don't count?

VD,

I think your being a little impatient. MMA as we know it basically started in 1992 and didn't really start to pick up speed till Zuffa bought it in 2001 who didn't really start seeing a real return on their investment till 2005-2006. The pay has gradually increased and I think we will continue to see it rise. When you look at the meteoric success of the UFC in the past years, sure you would think they are being cheap, but then when you look at the business models who have paid big money and then failed maybe not. Jay Heiron recently was quoted at being very upset at not fighting on the canceled Affliction card. He specifically mentioned that his sponsors only paid when he fought. He didn't mention what he would have been paid by Affliction. Lets for argument sake say a dark card fighter on a UFC show gets 5k from sponsors and 10k to show from the UFC. Thats 15k (not counting win/KO/Sub bonuses), multiplied by 4 fights a year thats 60k annually. Sure not a salary that one will go out and buy a yacht with but not doing too bad either. MMA is still a young and small sport relative to others, as it grows so will the salaries that both the superstars and lesser fighters make. I think it says something that the public is always bringing up the pay and not the fighters. Maybe they know something we don't.

[VictorCharlie]

A federal boxing commission in the states that only recognized one belt and only allowed sanctioning fees for that belt would essentially destroy the alphabets. Sure they could operate outside of the US but if you if a fighter can't wear your belt to the ring in Vegas the worth of it is meaningless.

And make it illegal for anyone else to offer up title belts? Or rich purses? It's one thing for the government to recognize only one body, It's something else altogether to force everyone else to recognise it. Can you honestly see the government making it illegal to set up rival sanctioning bodies? Or making it illegal for fighters to fight for They would no more do that than they would pass a law making it illegal to start up a new football league, or a new hockey league. Nor should they.

First of all I didn't say it was plausible. The OP asked what would cause the Alphabets to go away and I offered the only possible way I could think of this happening. A federal commision could simply only recognize the Ring belt then there would be no sanctioning fees at all. I don't really see how limiting it to only one belt in the US would damper purses at all. Managers/Promoters/Venues/TV/Public are what make mega deals happen not the shmucks at the WBC/WBA etc. I don't recall fighters prior to the proliferation of belts and orgs complaining about their paychecks nor would they now. Boxing could use a good dose of regulation considering its state.

[CGM]

A federal boxing commission in the states that only recognized one belt and only allowed sanctioning fees for that belt would essentially destroy the alphabets. Sure they could operate outside of the US but if you if a fighter can't wear your belt to the ring in Vegas the worth of it is meaningless.

And make it illegal for anyone else to offer up title belts? Or rich purses? It's one thing for the government to recognize only one body, It's something else altogether to force everyone else to recognise it. Can you honestly see the government making it illegal to set up rival sanctioning bodies? Or making it illegal for fighters to fight for They would no more do that than they would pass a law making it illegal to start up a new football league, or a new hockey league. Nor should they.

First of all I didn't say it was plausible. The OP asked what would cause the Alphabets to go away and I offered the only possible way I could think of this happening. A federal commision could simply only recognize the Ring belt then there would be no sanctioning fees at all. I don't really see how limiting it to only one belt in the US would damper purses at all. Managers/Promoters/Venues/TV/Public are what make mega deals happen not the shmucks at the WBC/WBA etc. I don't recall fighters prior to the proliferation of belts and orgs complaining about their paychecks nor would they now. Boxing could use a good dose of regulation considering its state.

ok fair enough, I thought you were offering it up as a solution, and I was just saying there is no way the US government would, or should, do that. But no big deal.