Who can beat Paul Williams

[Rantcatrat]

Sergio Martinez v. Paul Williams would be a helluva fight but I doubt Pwill's handlers will let him fight Sergio. Too much risk and too little upside.

Dzinzurik is very capable and he had no qualms about coming to the states to fight Paul, but still I'd probably pick Pwill in that fight.

Mosley doesn't want anything to do with Pwill (as amazing as he looked against Margarito, don't forget how he fared against Forrest who had similar height and reach advantages that Pwill would have) and PBF isn't fighting anyone over 5'8.

At middlweight, Pavlik would give Pwill problems, but I'm not sure he has it in him to win. Would a win over Pwill be Pavlik's biggest win of his career?

BTW - Where is Sergio Martinez? Who is he fighting next? Has he been heard from since the draw with Cintron?

[TigerFan]

BTW - Where is Sergio Martinez? Who is he fighting next? Has he been heard from since the draw with Cintron?

He was in talks to face Christophe Canclaux in France. Sergio was waiting to see what happened with the Pavlik-Williams situation before signing the contract with Canclaux. He was willing to step in for Pavlik.

Martinez and Dzinziruk IMO have the best chance to beat Williams.

[TheMacMagician]

Although i'm not sure about him beating PWill, i'm certain that Jamie Moore would give all three of these guys a run for their money, although he'd probably never get the opportunity as he's not well known enough........ From what i've heard, if he beats Ryan Rhodes in his next fight then he becomes the mandatory for Martinez.

[Majesty]

You know when Roy Jones knocked out Montell Griffin in the first round of the rematch I'm sure no one used evidence of their first fight to say how to beat Roy Jones

Whatever Quintana did in the first fight that he did effectively Williams adjusted to and overwhelmed him and knocked him out in the first round. If someone is gonna beat Williams it would probably be someone with one punch power because it's gonna be hard to outbox him now since the first time he was he has adjusted. And near impossible to outwork him so you'll either have to be a masterful boxer like a Mayweather or have one punch power since he can be hit.

[Violent Demise]

Carlos Quintana. He beat him once and was having sucess in the 2nd till he got caught. Quintana didn't think Williams could hurt him. He knows that now. Provided he can avoid getting caught, I see no reason he can't beat him again

[Violent Demise]

Although i'm not sure about him beating PWill, i'm certain that Jamie Moore would give all three of these guys a run for their money, although he'd probably never get the opportunity as he's not well known enough........ From what i've heard, if he beats Ryan Rhodes in his next fight then he becomes the mandatory for Martinez.

I seen Moore fight. He would struggle with Verno Phillips. I'm not convinced he could beat him either

yeah i was thinking sergio martinez as well. not keen on dzinziruk's chances though.

Everything Quintana does, Dzinziruk does better. He has a good chance

You know when Roy Jones knocked out Montell Griffin in the first round of the rematch I'm sure no one used evidence of their first fight to say how to beat Roy Jones

Whatever Quintana did in the first fight that he did effectively Williams adjusted to and overwhelmed him and knocked him out in the first round. If someone is gonna beat Williams it would probably be someone with one punch power because it's gonna be hard to outbox him now since the first time he was he has adjusted. And near impossible to outwork him so you'll either have to be a masterful boxer like a Mayweather or have one punch power since he can be hit.

Difference is Griffin wasn't competitive in the rematch. He did nothing but get blown out. Quintana was winning the round till he got caught. Your comparison doesn't work

[Majesty]

Although i'm not sure about him beating PWill, i'm certain that Jamie Moore would give all three of these guys a run for their money, although he'd probably never get the opportunity as he's not well known enough........ From what i've heard, if he beats Ryan Rhodes in his next fight then he becomes the mandatory for Martinez.

I seen Moore fight. He would struggle with Verno Phillips. I'm not convinced he could beat him either

yeah i was thinking sergio martinez as well. not keen on dzinziruk's chances though.

Everything Quintana does, Dzinziruk does better. He has a good chance

You know when Roy Jones knocked out Montell Griffin in the first round of the rematch I'm sure no one used evidence of their first fight to say how to beat Roy Jones

Whatever Quintana did in the first fight that he did effectively Williams adjusted to and overwhelmed him and knocked him out in the first round. If someone is gonna beat Williams it would probably be someone with one punch power because it's gonna be hard to outbox him now since the first time he was he has adjusted. And near impossible to outwork him so you'll either have to be a masterful boxer like a Mayweather or have one punch power since he can be hit.

Difference is Griffin wasn't competitive in the rematch. He did nothing but get blown out. Quintana was winning the round till he got caught. Your comparison doesn't work

Quintana wasn't very competitive in the rematch. Are you serious? You think quintana was winning the first round with Williams?

The first round was this. Williams came out with something completely different that he didn't use in the first fight. A jab. he used the jab to keep Quintana at a distance and was throwing single shots with it, Quintana would come in with a hard blow and Williams would answer back then would go back to jabbing Quintana on the outside, Quintana lands one hard straight left and Williams answers back with two blows and Quintana tries to answer but misses. After that point Williams starts putting more on the jab and starts snapping Quintana's head back. Then Williams eventually doubles up on the jab and when Quintana tries to come in and land a shot(like he'd done earlier) Williams catches him with a straight right that puts Quintana on queer street and Quintana holds on for dear life, now Williams starts opening up with combinations and pushes him against the ropes and lands a few more hard shots, Quintana gets out and Williams goes back and double jabs and lands a straight right and down goes Quintana. And the end of the fight isn't too long after that.

There was no way Quintana was winning that first round. Williams' jab was winning that round for him before he started to double up. Once Williams started doubling the jab Quintana never saw the right coming. Whereas in the first fight Williams didn't jab very much if at all, in the rematch Williams brought out a jab, and once Quintana thought he had an answer for it Williams doubled it and had a right hand waiting. Quintana isn't going to ever beat Paul Williams again the same way he did in the first fight. Quintana doesn't seem to have an answer for that double jab of Williams, never saw the right coming after that. If you throw single shots at Quintana he will outbox you all night and thats the mistake Williams made. But he actually threw a second and a third shot and Quintana got caught every time he set it up with a double jab. if Quintana doesn't get an answer for that jab he has no chance at beating Williams again.

[JonnyFolds]

Although i'm not sure about him beating PWill, i'm certain that Jamie Moore would give all three of these guys a run for their money, although he'd probably never get the opportunity as he's not well known enough........ From what i've heard, if he beats Ryan Rhodes in his next fight then he becomes the mandatory for Martinez.

I seen Moore fight. He would struggle with Verno Phillips. I'm not convinced he could beat him either



Everything Quintana does, Dzinziruk does better. He has a good chance

You know when Roy Jones knocked out Montell Griffin in the first round of the rematch I'm sure no one used evidence of their first fight to say how to beat Roy Jones

Whatever Quintana did in the first fight that he did effectively Williams adjusted to and overwhelmed him and knocked him out in the first round. If someone is gonna beat Williams it would probably be someone with one punch power because it's gonna be hard to outbox him now since the first time he was he has adjusted. And near impossible to outwork him so you'll either have to be a masterful boxer like a Mayweather or have one punch power since he can be hit.

Difference is Griffin wasn't competitive in the rematch. He did nothing but get blown out. Quintana was winning the round till he got caught. Your comparison doesn't work

Quintana wasn't very competitive in the rematch. Are you serious? You think quintana was winning the first round with Williams?

The first round was this. Williams came out with something completely different that he didn't use in the first fight. A jab. he used the jab to keep Quintana at a distance and was throwing single shots with it, Quintana would come in with a hard blow and Williams would answer back then would go back to jabbing Quintana on the outside, Quintana lands one hard straight left and Williams answers back with two blows and Quintana tries to answer but misses. After that point Williams starts putting more on the jab and starts snapping Quintana's head back. Then Williams eventually doubles up on the jab and when Quintana tries to come in and land a shot(like he'd done earlier) Williams catches him with a straight right that puts Quintana on queer street and Quintana holds on for dear life, now Williams starts opening up with combinations and pushes him against the ropes and lands a few more hard shots, Quintana gets out and Williams goes back and double jabs and lands a straight right and down goes Quintana. And the end of the fight isn't too long after that.

There was no way Quintana was winning that first round. Williams' jab was winning that round for him before he started to double up. Once Williams started doubling the jab Quintana never saw the right coming. Whereas in the first fight Williams didn't jab very much if at all, in the rematch Williams brought out a jab, and once Quintana thought he had an answer for it Williams doubled it and had a right hand waiting. Quintana isn't going to ever beat Paul Williams again the same way he did in the first fight. Quintana doesn't seem to have an answer for that double jab of Williams, never saw the right coming after that. If you throw single shots at Quintana he will outbox you all night and thats the mistake Williams made. But he actually threw a second and a third shot and Quintana got caught every time he set it up with a double jab. if Quintana doesn't get an answer for that jab he has no chance at beating Williams again.

That has to be the funniest thing I have ever read... "Quintana was beating teh tar out of Williams till he got caught" Yeah, all 90 seconds of it. It was scheduled for 4 rounds right? http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...es/pissing.gif

Your representation of the fight is way too verbose.

Williams hits him a few times, gets hit a few times. Williams throws a 4ish punch combo:
2 body punches that lower Quintana's hands
2 to the head to take his block off

Quintana can't figure out what happened.

Quintana will badly lose the rematch, and does not want it.

There is a hidden gem in these two fights that I would like to note.

Pwill comes in the first fight with a mowhawk and all sorts of confidence. Loses. Goofy hair means you have too much time on your hands. Focus.

Quintana comes in the second fight confident as hell. Crazy looking fringe trunks with awful colors. Too flashy. Train harder.

[amat]

Majesty, Williams jabbed plenty in the first fight. Go back and watch the fight it wasn't his jab or even his offensive weapons that cost him the fight. Quintana just got caught with a clean right hand don't make it more then it actually was. I agree that Williams was improved but it wasn't some dramatic change of tactics he was just on fresher legs, sat down on his punches more and made one count early.

Don't be fooled though Williams might have a good jab but the best jabs control distance and that's something Williams doesn't do. He didn't have many amateur fights and kind of learned on the job as a professional. His biggest problem early even going back to the Sharmba Mitchell fight is the fact that you can time his long straight punches and he has a problem controlling his opponents and the distance between them. Because of his volume he has success on the inside and he can get away with that but guys who go in with a defensive gameplan and are accurate punchers, they are going to have success.

Why doesn't Williams go back to 147? That's where I'm most interested in seeing him right now.

[TheMacMagician]

Although i'm not sure about him beating PWill, i'm certain that Jamie Moore would give all three of these guys a run for their money, although he'd probably never get the opportunity as he's not well known enough........ From what i've heard, if he beats Ryan Rhodes in his next fight then he becomes the mandatory for Martinez.

:lolhaha: I seen Moore fight. He would struggle with Verno Phillips. I'm not convinced he could beat him either

yeah i was thinking sergio martinez as well. not keen on dzinziruk's chances though.

Everything Quintana does, Dzinziruk does better. He has a good chance

You know when Roy Jones knocked out Montell Griffin in the first round of the rematch I'm sure no one used evidence of their first fight to say how to beat Roy Jones

Whatever Quintana did in the first fight that he did effectively Williams adjusted to and overwhelmed him and knocked him out in the first round. If someone is gonna beat Williams it would probably be someone with one punch power because it's gonna be hard to outbox him now since the first time he was he has adjusted. And near impossible to outwork him so you'll either have to be a masterful boxer like a Mayweather or have one punch power since he can be hit.

Difference is Griffin wasn't competitive in the rematch. He did nothing but get blown out. Quintana was winning the round till he got caught. Your comparison doesn't work

Don't believe that atall. I said Moore would give all three a run for their money no doubt in my mind. He certainly certainly gives martinez a damn good go. Martinez is too easy to hit, no way has enough power to keep Moore off of him and also has no ability to fight on the inside, which Moore can do aswell as on the outside.....

I'm also sure that Williams would destroy Martinez, again he's too easy to hit, with his right hand low all the time, punch output and good power says Martinez takes too many shots....

[Violent Demise]

Although i'm not sure about him beating PWill, i'm certain that Jamie Moore would give all three of these guys a run for their money, although he'd probably never get the opportunity as he's not well known enough........ From what i've heard, if he beats Ryan Rhodes in his next fight then he becomes the mandatory for Martinez.

:lolhaha: I seen Moore fight. He would struggle with Verno Phillips. I'm not convinced he could beat him either



Everything Quintana does, Dzinziruk does better. He has a good chance

You know when Roy Jones knocked out Montell Griffin in the first round of the rematch I'm sure no one used evidence of their first fight to say how to beat Roy Jones

Whatever Quintana did in the first fight that he did effectively Williams adjusted to and overwhelmed him and knocked him out in the first round. If someone is gonna beat Williams it would probably be someone with one punch power because it's gonna be hard to outbox him now since the first time he was he has adjusted. And near impossible to outwork him so you'll either have to be a masterful boxer like a Mayweather or have one punch power since he can be hit.

Difference is Griffin wasn't competitive in the rematch. He did nothing but get blown out. Quintana was winning the round till he got caught. Your comparison doesn't work

Don't believe that atall. I said Moore would give all three a run for their money no doubt in my mind. He certainly certainly gives martinez a damn good go. Martinez is too easy to hit, no way has enough power to keep Moore off of him and also has no ability to fight on the inside, which Moore can do aswell as on the outside.....

I'm also sure that Williams would destroy Martinez, again he's too easy to hit, with his right hand low all the time, punch output and good power says Martinez takes too many shots....

You talking about the same Moore who almost got stopped by the no-punching Michael Jones not to long ago? The one who had to be saved by the ref cuz Ossie Duran was about to kill him? That Moore?

[IronDanLaw]

Kelly Pavlik.

[IronDanLaw]

At LMW, no one can beat him.

[Dark Lord Al]

You know when Roy Jones knocked out Montell Griffin in the first round of the rematch I'm sure no one used evidence of their first fight to say how to beat Roy Jones

Whatever Quintana did in the first fight that he did effectively Williams adjusted to and overwhelmed him and knocked him out in the first round. If someone is gonna beat Williams it would probably be someone with one punch power because it's gonna be hard to outbox him now since the first time he was he has adjusted. And near impossible to outwork him so you'll either have to be a masterful boxer like a Mayweather or have one punch power since he can be hit.

This is a very good point.