Who can beat Paul Williams

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Although i'm not sure about him beating PWill, i'm certain that Jamie Moore would give all three of these guys a run for their money, although he'd probably never get the opportunity as he's not well known enough........ From what i've heard, if he beats Ryan Rhodes in his next fight then he becomes the mandatory for Martinez.

:lolhaha: I seen Moore fight. He would struggle with Verno Phillips. I'm not convinced he could beat him either



Everything Quintana does, Dzinziruk does better. He has a good chance

You know when Roy Jones knocked out Montell Griffin in the first round of the rematch I'm sure no one used evidence of their first fight to say how to beat Roy Jones

Whatever Quintana did in the first fight that he did effectively Williams adjusted to and overwhelmed him and knocked him out in the first round. If someone is gonna beat Williams it would probably be someone with one punch power because it's gonna be hard to outbox him now since the first time he was he has adjusted. And near impossible to outwork him so you'll either have to be a masterful boxer like a Mayweather or have one punch power since he can be hit.

Difference is Griffin wasn't competitive in the rematch. He did nothing but get blown out. Quintana was winning the round till he got caught. Your comparison doesn't work

Don't believe that atall. I said Moore would give all three a run for their money no doubt in my mind. He certainly certainly gives martinez a damn good go. Martinez is too easy to hit, no way has enough power to keep Moore off of him and also has no ability to fight on the inside, which Moore can do aswell as on the outside.....

I'm also sure that Williams would destroy Martinez, again he's too easy to hit, with his right hand low all the time, punch output and good power says Martinez takes too many shots....

You talking about the same Moore who almost got stopped by the no-punching Michael Jones not to long ago? The one who had to be saved by the ref cuz Ossie Duran was about to kill him? That Moore?

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Sergio Martinez is overrated i remember seeing his fight, with Alex Bunema and the way the commentators were making him sound. Was like he was the next SRR. I mean it was a good performance but it was a good performance, against a very limited fighter.

Sergio Martinez is a good fighter theres no doubting that, but im not sold on him by any means. I mean he deserved to obviously beat Kermit Cintron, but i've never really rated Kermit Cintron either. And the only other top opponent he fought, was Antonio Margarito and he was beaten to a pulp.

I'd like to see more of him against some of top fighters. Before im ready to say, he has a good chance to beat Paul Williams. I see people using the Carlos Quintana fight as an example, but i remember seeing that Paul Williams had some weight problems, or ETC against Carlos Quintana in there 1st meeting ?

Whatever it was Paul Williams certainly looked stale, and i thought he pretty much erased the 1st fight. Just like RJJ erased his 1st fight with Montel Griffin as someone else said.

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They were talking like that was because at least in America Sergio Martinez was pretty much a complete unknown and he came out and put on a very skillful display and an energetic performance against a guy most thought was at least decent and more of a known quantity. They were just excited about the arrival of Sergio Martinez and he definitely gave the best showing of himself on that tripleheader card. The Martinez who fought Margarito is in no way relevant to Martinez today. I would almost guarantee he would beat Margarito if given the chance now.

I agree with VD that Quintana is fully capable of beating him again however I would pick Williams to win a rematch. Martinez would be brutal for Williams if Martinez was on because Martinez has such excellent footwork and if he can keep Williams from getting set (which shows how much Williams has advanced) he would have every shot at beating Williams because he's the cleaner, sharper puncher. If you talk about volume, there are ways to neutralize volume especially if you are a shorter puncher who can change distances quickly on a guy who throws such long punches. Martinez is more then capable and imo that fight would look like a replay of the Quintana fight if Martinez could take the left away from Williams like Quintana did. I could also see Paul just overwhelming and wearing down Martinez.

Daniel Santos, a sharp southpaw with a lot of pop, he could get to Williams potentially.

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They were talking like that was because at least in America Sergio Martinez was pretty much a complete unknown and he came out and put on a very skillful display and an energetic performance against a guy most thought was at least decent and more of a known quantity. They were just excited about the arrival of Sergio Martinez and he definitely gave the best showing of himself on that tripleheader card. The Martinez who fought Margarito is in no way relevant to Martinez today. I would almost guarantee he would beat Margarito if given the chance now.

I agree with VD that Quintana is fully capable of beating him again however I would pick Williams to win a rematch. Martinez would be brutal for Williams if Martinez was on because Martinez has such excellent footwork and if he can keep Williams from getting set (which shows how much Williams has advanced) he would have every shot at beating Williams because he's the cleaner, sharper puncher. If you talk about volume, there are ways to neutralize volume especially if you are a shorter puncher who can change distances quickly on a guy who throws such long punches. Martinez is more then capable and imo that fight would look like a replay of the Quintana fight if Martinez could take the left away from Williams like Quintana did. I could also see Paul just overwhelming and wearing down Martinez.

Daniel Santos, a sharp southpaw with a lot of pop, he could get to Williams potentially.

i agree with some of this.

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I dont think anyone will.

Anything can happen in boxing but realistically Pauls the best of the bunch by a Country mile. Vernon Forrest would have given him a good fight. Santos is dangerous and so is Martinez but Paul would start as favourite vs both.

He has too many advantages to lose to those guys. Pavliks in for another bad night next time too.

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:lolhaha: I seen Moore fight. He would struggle with Verno Phillips. I'm not convinced he could beat him either



Everything Quintana does, Dzinziruk does better. He has a good chance



Difference is Griffin wasn't competitive in the rematch. He did nothing but get blown out. Quintana was winning the round till he got caught. Your comparison doesn't work

Don't believe that atall. I said Moore would give all three a run for their money no doubt in my mind. He certainly certainly gives martinez a damn good go. Martinez is too easy to hit, no way has enough power to keep Moore off of him and also has no ability to fight on the inside, which Moore can do aswell as on the outside.....

I'm also sure that Williams would destroy Martinez, again he's too easy to hit, with his right hand low all the time, punch output and good power says Martinez takes too many shots....

You talking about the same Moore who almost got stopped by the no-punching Michael Jones not to long ago? The one who had to be saved by the ref cuz Ossie Duran was about to kill him? That Moore?

Same same, i get ya, I just think he's matured and he's now a very good fighter and I give him a good shot. Lets just reiterate my first point though," i'm not sure he can beat Paul Williams, he'd give all three of them a good fight. He's had a good few wins especially against Macklin and Piccorillo. Once he's whooped Ryan Rhodes and hopefully into the mandatory spot for Martinez we'll see what he's got then for sure.....