If Mayweather stops Marquez

[RP33]

I will surely be one to say that Floyd beat up a smaller man because he did. Marquez is fighting a man who fought a 154 at one point and the highest was 135 for Marquez that is a 19 pound difference. Not to mention Mayweather retired and probably walked around at 155 during retirement. Marquez has really nothing in his favor in this fight except the ability to recoop quickly and maybe maybe a slight edge in counterpunching. I sure as shit hope Marquez can pull this is out but my head says no way.

to be technical, floyd weighed 150 during the oscar fight fight.. maybe even less.

Marquez is definitely a "smaller" guy when you look at the weight classes, but I wouldn't say Floyd is extremely significantly more powerfull than JMM..

Jmm knocked Pac down, KO'd Diaz, KO'd Casamayor all at 135..

Hatton was the first guy Floyd KO'd at WW.. someone with no defense.. and the last guy in the past four years..

While an academic point with the weight classes, when you look at reality, the strength difference isn't much of a discrepency.

Either i missed that or ur mistaken.

yeah, i'm mistaken.. who am i thinking of, barerra?

either way, point still stands.

[cnote111]

Mayweather has every tool in the book to dominate a counter puncher like JMM... I will not be impressed if Mayweather beats JMM by decision. HOWEVER, if PBF does win by knockout i will give PBF his just dues... I hate PBF...

Side Note: As long as Pac faces the winner (pending the cotto fight results) i'm good....

[Kel]

I'll give him credit for a KO but it's what I'm expecting anyway.

[Addicted to_boxing]

I'll give him credit for a KO but it's what I'm expecting anyway.

If PBF KO's Marquez he deserves to earn the larger % of purse vs Pac.

[mnmc10]

why? pac got the p4p when pbf retired, pac fought alot since then and pbf didnt do nothing.

if pbf Kos jmm he kod a guy with a one loss one draw record against pac. we can argue the same that pac also kod in a better fashion hatton.

pbf cant demand the larger purse cause he aint drawing crowds anymore.


going back to topic

i think jmm can handle pbf, i wish he can win. but its impossible for pbf to toy with jmm.

[zhubin]

Mayweather hasn't dropped many fighters in his career. The ones he has been able to hand a beat down to in recent years are one dimensional, come forward brawlers...like Gatti and Hatton. Marquez is way too tough, skilled, and intelligent to simply be target practice for Floyd. Floyd's inactivity is my biggest concern...if he comes in rusty after a near two year layoff...Marquez will surprise him. But Floyd knows what is on the table...a future fight with Pac...and he knows Marquez is a great fighter...so i think he will be fully prepared. I have Floyd winning on points simply because he has too much speed and slickness for Marquez to handle.

[Rantcatrat]

I'll give him credit for a KO but it's what I'm expecting anyway.

If PBF KO's Marquez he deserves to earn the larger % of purse vs Pac.

I disagree. It should be 50-50 or Pac should get more money. It also depends on how Pac dispatches Cotto and the final numbers for both fights.

Mayweather hasn't dropped many fighters in his career. The ones he has been able to hand a beat down to in recent years are one dimensional, come forward brawlers...like Gatti and Hatton. Marquez is way too tough, skilled, and intelligent to simply be target practice for Floyd. Floyd's inactivity is my biggest concern...if he comes in rusty after a near two year layoff...Marquez will surprise him. But Floyd knows what is on the table...a future fight with Pac...and he knows Marquez is a great fighter...so i think he will be fully prepared. I have Floyd winning on points simply because he has too much speed and slickness for Marquez to handle.

I agree. Floyd has too much speed and is too elusive for Marquez. I'd be very, very surprised if Marquez wins. I wouldn't be as surprised if Cotto beat Pacquiao.

My belief is the style to beat Floyd is a bigger boxer who either is equally fast or is a volume puncher (e.g. Pwill or SSM). Truthfully, that may not be enough to beat Floyd, but we've never seen him fight someone who possesses those characteristics. He's beat brawlers, counter punchers, and smaller fighters.

[Addicted to_boxing]

why? pac got the p4p when pbf retired, pac fought alot since then and pbf didnt do nothing.

if pbf Kos jmm he kod a guy with a one loss one draw record against pac. we can argue the same that pac also kod in a better fashion hatton.

pbf cant demand the larger purse cause he aint drawing crowds anymore.


going back to topic

i think jmm can handle pbf, i wish he can win. but its impossible for pbf to toy with jmm.

Easy, Pac is #1, JMM #2. Pac never Ko'd JMM. PBF remains undefeated ....


Look at the mindset and skill level that Pac hand picks floundering foes:
David Diaz was awarded the title when Joel Casamayor, the champion at the time, was stripped of the title for signing to fight WBO champion Acelino Freitas rather than defend against him.

David Diaz -
3 foes prior to Pac fight. Ramon Montano, EM (an old washed up fighter, yet many felt EM won the fight). Jose Armando Santa Cruz a guy now 3 & 3 in his last 6 fights.

ODLH - weight drained cross dressing promoter -
An old Joke : 3 foes prior to Pac fight. Mayorga (another joke with no skill set) Forbes (journeyman) and he barely won. Mayweather - could have won but clearly could no longer pull the trigger and just had to throw more jabs to win.

Hatton -
Malagnaggi ( does not even posses the strength to even blow out a candle). Lazcano - entered he Hatton fight having lost in previous fight to Vivian Harris. Mayweather - made Hatton look like an amatuer ( witness funniest KO I have ever seen)

Cotto -
Joshua Clottey ( tough foe, Cotto did just enough to win , not impressive)
Michael Jennings - Little known with no impressive opponents on record , 34% KO %.
Margarito - Loss his heart that night. It was obvious in the Clottey fight he will never be the same.

So see how Pac has cherry picked his way to fame. Granted he has performed in ring. But Pac fight the wounded with a marquee name. EM fight one and JMM are the only opponents they have underestimated / miscalculated.

You can do this to all of Pac's foes after facing JMM in their 1st fight. They either lost their previous fight or one of their last three fights prior to entering the fight vs Pac..

JMM's is no murderers row either but slightly more impressive than Pac's.


This is why PBF deserves the larger purse, if and only he manages to KO JMM.

[Addicted to_boxing]

why? pac got the p4p when pbf retired, pac fought alot since then and pbf didnt do nothing.

if pbf Kos jmm he kod a guy with a one loss one draw record against pac. we can argue the same that pac also kod in a better fashion hatton.

pbf cant demand the larger purse cause he aint drawing crowds anymore.


going back to topic

i think jmm can handle pbf, i wish he can win. but its impossible for pbf to toy with jmm.

Easy, Pac is #1, JMM #2. Pac never Ko'd JMM. PBF remains undefeated ....


Look at the mindset and skill level that Pac hand picks floundering foes:
David Diaz was awarded the title when Joel Casamayor, the champion at the time, was stripped of the title for signing to fight WBO champion Acelino Freitas rather than defend against him.

David Diaz -
3 foes prior to Pac fight. Ramon Montano, EM (an old washed up fighter, yet many felt EM won the fight). Jose Armando Santa Cruz a guy now 3 & 3 in his last 6 fights.

ODLH - weight drained cross dressing promoter -
An old Joke : 3 foes prior to Pac fight. Mayorga (another joke with no skill set) Forbes (journeyman) and he barely won. Mayweather - could have won but clearly could no longer pull the trigger and just had to throw more jabs to win.

Hatton -
Malagnaggi ( does not even posses the strength to even blow out a candle). Lazcano - entered he Hatton fight having lost in previous fight to Vivian Harris. Mayweather - made Hatton look like an amatuer ( witness funniest KO I have ever seen)

Cotto -
Joshua Clottey ( tough foe, Cotto did just enough to win , not impressive)
Michael Jennings - Little known with no impressive opponents on record , 34% KO %.
Margarito - Loss his heart that night. It was obvious in the Clottey fight he will never be the same.

So see how Pac has cherry picked his way to fame. Granted he has performed in ring. But Pac fight the wounded with a marquee name. EM fight one and JMM are the only opponents they have underestimated / miscalculated.

You can do this to all of Pac's foes after facing JMM in their 1st fight. They either lost their previous fight or one of their last three fights prior to entering the fight vs Pac..

JMM's is no murderers row either but slightly more impressive than Pac's.


This is why PBF deserves the larger purse, if and only he manages to KO JMM.

Funny how no Pac fan has challenged the following facts ....

[Nameless]

I'll give him credit for a KO but it's what I'm expecting anyway.

If PBF KO's Marquez he deserves to earn the larger % of purse vs Pac.

Pacman fills the arenas, Floyd doesn't. Pacman has the belt, Floyd doesn't.

So, yeah, I disagree there

[generalbulldog]

Most boxing fans don't give a shit if Mayweather or Pac gets the larger purse, We just want to see the fight be made and hopefully it will be a good one.

[Tysonbruno]

I think it will be Mayweather vs Cotto in 2010 i don't think Pac can beat Cotto the weight thing with Cotto concerns me but if he comes down right i think he will be to big and strong for pac i think he has bitten off to much this time.

[knodaledge]

I'll give him credit for a KO but it's what I'm expecting anyway.

If PBF KO's Marquez he deserves to earn the larger % of purse vs Pac.

Pacman fills the arenas, Floyd doesn't. So, yeah, I disagree there

How do we judge this though? Based on the numbers of their upcoming fights? It takes 2 to tangle & 2 to sell tickets. Pacquiao and Cotto are going to outdraw Mayweather & Marquez simply because Marquez isn't as big a name as the other guys.

The only fair way to measure who draws more is put them both against the same opponents and see which fights sell. Luckily we have 2 fights to give us the numbers but it seems alot of people choose to look away from those facts in black & white. We can measure how well Mayweather/Marquez sells in contrast to how Pacquiao/Marquez sold, right?

If we both have Ferraris to race but mine has stone wheels, you'll win every time. 2 marquee names vs 1 marquee name & 1 underrated name...It's an unfair way to measure.

[Nameless]

If PBF KO's Marquez he deserves to earn the larger % of purse vs Pac.

Pacman fills the arenas, Floyd doesn't. So, yeah, I disagree there

How do we judge this though? Based on the numbers of their upcoming fights? It takes 2 to tangle & 2 to sell tickets. Pacquiao and Cotto are going to outdraw Mayweather & Marquez simply because Marquez isn't as big a name as the other guys.

The only fair way to measure who draws more is put them both against the same opponents and see which fights sell. Luckily we have 2 fights to give us the numbers but it seems alot of people choose to look away from those facts in black & white. We can measure how well Mayweather/Marquez sells in contrast to how Pacquiao/Marquez sold, right?

If we both have Ferraris to race but mine has stone wheels, you'll win every time. 2 marquee names vs 1 marquee name & 1 underrated name...It's an unfair way to measure.

The only big venue Mayweather filled was when he fought against DLH and once again, it was mainly because of DLH. No matter where he goes, Pacman fills the arenas and drag a huge amount of money generated by the PPV, even when he's not fighting against the best of the best of the best. It takes 2 to dance tango but often, you come to see one of the two dancers. THe guy has talent but is not that charismatic neither has an attractive style for most of the fans plus it is more than common that the belt holder gets a bigger piece of the pie, especially when the champion is a superstar and not a cinderella man.

[ryanman]

If PBF KO's Marquez he deserves to earn the larger % of purse vs Pac.

Pacman fills the arenas, Floyd doesn't. So, yeah, I disagree there

How do we judge this though? Based on the numbers of their upcoming fights? It takes 2 to tangle & 2 to sell tickets. Pacquiao and Cotto are going to outdraw Mayweather & Marquez simply because Marquez isn't as big a name as the other guys.

The only fair way to measure who draws more is put them both against the same opponents and see which fights sell. Luckily we have 2 fights to give us the numbers but it seems alot of people choose to look away from those facts in black & white. We can measure how well Mayweather/Marquez sells in contrast to how Pacquiao/Marquez sold, right?

If we both have Ferraris to race but mine has stone wheels, you'll win every time. 2 marquee names vs 1 marquee name & 1 underrated name...It's an unfair way to measure.

Marquez is a marquee name. If he doesn't count as a marquee name then i guess there are only 2 'marquee' names in boxing.

Marquez marquee marquee Marquez! Both of them words now look like gibberish to me!