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Jaz, can't go with you on that, don't like Kotelnik, although I agree on the unproffesional show for Lawton. Murray struggles to get motivated for poor fights, which Lawton was, this i know, hopefully he got a absolute rollocking, which I believe he did from Mick hennessey.

Now, i'm not sayin that Murray is special by any stretch, I just love his fighting style and would watch him over Khan any day of the week.... Thats just what i like to watch, two people willing to go to hell and back to win, fights like Corrales Castillo, Casamayor Katsidis, Ward Gatti, etc, i'll never get a fight like that out of Khan period. Theres also no way in hell a " He hasn't done enough to earn a title shot" can come into it. Hell, Khan is the champ at that so that debate ends early.

Anyways, you cover what I said, that Murray struggles with the movement, which he showed against McCallister yes. He will struggle with Khans speed and movement for sure, and definately has been easier to hit with his bad defense, but he's a million times more aggressive than Kotelnik, is faster and has a better array of punches too. I think its a more interesting match-up than a Khan mid KO and certainly wouldn't have Khan winning by a stretch atall. He will test Khans Stamina and Will for sure IMO so I guess we'll see..... I'll eat the crow if i'm wrong, but we'll see....
I'm no Kotelnik fan, but I've seen enough of his fights & Murray's to know that quite frankly they're not on the same level. Kotelnik is much better than he looked against Khan, even if he is a boring fighter to watch. Kotelnik made Khan look bad, Murray will just be walking into those combinations & doesn't have the head movement to avoid them to get inside & beat him up to the body & even then Khan's footwork is too much.

This isn't Juan Diaz or Marcos Maidana we're talking about it's a guy whose best win is Lee Meager or maybe McAllister. Neither are up to much. Say what you like about Khan's opposition (& I believe it's pretty shoddy) but the fact is Graham Earl, Kristjansen, St Clair were all considered legitimate LW threats when he faced them. Also whilst the cut was obviously a major factor, he still beat Barrera. Murray has accomplished nowhere near this. Plus Khan won the belt off a guy who's very difficult to look good against & gave Marcos Maidana a hell of a tough fight.

If you can actually tell me what Murray has done to earn a world title shot at ANY weight then I'll be interested. If he stepped up & beat Mezaache or even McCloskey, I might let him away with it, but he hasn't beat a single opponent above domestic level & even they weren't great. Khan may have bypassed domestic level, but now it's guys like Maidana, Malignaggi & Holt who should be fighting Khan, not some overhyped c-level fighter who will make money in the MEN. This is the ultimate in Warren milking money rather than taking on threats, hell I'd even rather see Salita if only for him to get the fuck out of the #1 contender spot.
Murrays head movement will be an issue for sure. Will just have to see. You'd think that they would know that though, so maybe they'd try work out a plan, if they had any sense......

Murray vs Khan at 135 is still an interesting fight, despite what anyone says. Khan has hopped out of fighting Murray and Thaxton for sure in my mind and has been fast tracked, so that leads me to belive that Khan would have some nerves if the fight gets made.

Lastly, regardless of Kotelnik being better than Murray, Murray at lightweight is a different prospect than Kotelnik at Welter, and i'd say it again, Murray is a million times more aggressive than Kotelnik, is faster and has a better array of punches too. This makes it no easy fight for Khan IMO. Roll on the day it gets made. All i'm saying is that if Murray smashes Thaxton to pieces on Oct 3rd, Khans team will think again about wanting the fight in December for sure......