Mayweather-Marquez 24/7 Drinking Game

[Taeth]

no one's disputing that Mayweather won, but no way was it 9 rnds to 3 or eve 8 rnds to 4, DLH made him work, Mayweather won by 115-113 on my card, and i don't think that's an insult, cause Mayweather fought DLH when he still had something left, and at a weight where he was still pretty effective

No way, Oscar won maybe rounds 2,4,7. You could weakly argue 6 (Oscar lands 2 nice lefts to the body early and 1 nice right late, but Mayweather peppering him with punches all round and they exchange at the bell, looking amazing defensively and dictating the pace even though he is going backwards).

But Mayweather clearly won 1,3,5,8 and on. That is 9-3 or 8-4, watch the fight again without neanderthal that coming forward and walking through punches wins you rounds.

Mayweather almost landed twice as many punches in the fight, he almost doubled the jabs landed by Oscar. Watch the fight without the volume on(HBO is super biased towards OScar), and without alchohol and you will see that Mayweather handily beat Oscar.

Ok Taeth, how about this...

I have Jose Luis Castillo LANDING and THROWING 2x as many punches as Mayweather in their first fight. Mayweather wins lopsided decision.

So, with DLH, do the punch numbers matter if you are throwing pepper while your opponent is throwing steel? One out of 20 of Mayweather's shots were actually thrown with any intent.

Mayweather-Castillo I had crap scorecards, I had Mayweather by one round, but when did Castillo double Mayweather's output or landed punches?

Also Mayweather is a natural 130 pound fighter, and it was Oscar that got hurt if either of them did in that fight.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

No way, Oscar won maybe rounds 2,4,7. You could weakly argue 6 (Oscar lands 2 nice lefts to the body early and 1 nice right late, but Mayweather peppering him with punches all round and they exchange at the bell, looking amazing defensively and dictating the pace even though he is going backwards).

But Mayweather clearly won 1,3,5,8 and on. That is 9-3 or 8-4, watch the fight again without neanderthal that coming forward and walking through punches wins you rounds.

Mayweather almost landed twice as many punches in the fight, he almost doubled the jabs landed by Oscar. Watch the fight without the volume on(HBO is super biased towards OScar), and without alchohol and you will see that Mayweather handily beat Oscar.

Ok Taeth, how about this...

I have Jose Luis Castillo LANDING and THROWING 2x as many punches as Mayweather in their first fight. Mayweather wins lopsided decision.

So, with DLH, do the punch numbers matter if you are throwing pepper while your opponent is throwing steel? One out of 20 of Mayweather's shots were actually thrown with any intent.

Mayweather-Castillo I had crap scorecards, I had Mayweather by one round, but when did Castillo double Mayweather's output or landed punches?

Also Mayweather is a natural 130 pound fighter, and it was Oscar that got hurt if either of them did in that fight.

Sorry to go off topic but Mayweather is NOT a natural 130 pounder.

He might of been for a few years but he isn't now and hasn't been since he starved himself for FOUR days to make weight for the Jesus Chavez fight back in 2001.

He has spent more years OUT of the superfeather weight division than in it.
You think he can even get to 135 these days? I dont think so Teath.

The whole ''he's a natural ______'' is a redundant argument where young, developing fighters are concerned. You can't tell me that Manny Pacquiao is a natural 130 pounder. You can't tell me Paul Williams is a natural 147 pounder. Every weight that Roy Jones Jnr fought at was natural bar Heavyweight.... Same goes for Oscar Dela Hoya (again, bar middleweight).

You just cant go around labelling these guys as natural anything other than the weight they are fighting in... Or at least the weight of their opponents

[Taeth]

Ok Taeth, how about this...

I have Jose Luis Castillo LANDING and THROWING 2x as many punches as Mayweather in their first fight. Mayweather wins lopsided decision.

So, with DLH, do the punch numbers matter if you are throwing pepper while your opponent is throwing steel? One out of 20 of Mayweather's shots were actually thrown with any intent.

Mayweather-Castillo I had crap scorecards, I had Mayweather by one round, but when did Castillo double Mayweather's output or landed punches?

Also Mayweather is a natural 130 pound fighter, and it was Oscar that got hurt if either of them did in that fight.

Sorry to go off topic but Mayweather is NOT a natural 130 pounder.

He might of been for a few years but he isn't now and hasn't been since he starved himself for FOUR days to make weight for the Jesus Chavez fight back in 2001.

He has spent more years OUT of the superfeather weight division than in it.
You think he can even get to 135 these days? I dont think so Teath.

The whole ''he's a natural ______'' is a redundant argument where young, developing fighters are concerned. You can't tell me that Manny Pacquiao is a natural 130 pounder. You can't tell me Paul Williams is a natural 147 pounder. Every weight that Roy Jones Jnr fought at was natural bar Heavyweight.... Same goes for Oscar Dela Hoya (again, bar middleweight).

You just cant go around labelling these guys as natural anything other than the weight they are fighting in... Or at least the weight of their opponents

Mayweather was putting on weight to move up from 130 as soon as he beat Corrales. He moved out of 130 and 135 with a lot of work in the weightroom which made making weight for Chavez and Ndou tough, but its not because he was too big for the weight classes. You can tell by his diminishing punchstats and his progressively more and more defensive style that Mayweather moved up quicker than he should have. Mosley, Margarito, Cotto, Berto, Clottey, Collazo all have weighed in around 160 for welterweight fights, MAyweather comes in at 150 tops. That is ten pounds smaller than these guys. You can't say he is naturally the same size as guys that walk around 30-40 pounds heavier than him.

To go back to the biased thing, go back a few years and you will see I hated Pacquiao, I hated Calzaghe, I hated a lot of guys. Now I like most of the top fighters. I am biased towards skill in all forms, and thats it.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Mayweather-Castillo I had crap scorecards, I had Mayweather by one round, but when did Castillo double Mayweather's output or landed punches?

Also Mayweather is a natural 130 pound fighter, and it was Oscar that got hurt if either of them did in that fight.

Sorry to go off topic but Mayweather is NOT a natural 130 pounder.

He might of been for a few years but he isn't now and hasn't been since he starved himself for FOUR days to make weight for the Jesus Chavez fight back in 2001.

He has spent more years OUT of the superfeather weight division than in it.
You think he can even get to 135 these days? I dont think so Teath.

The whole ''he's a natural ______'' is a redundant argument where young, developing fighters are concerned. You can't tell me that Manny Pacquiao is a natural 130 pounder. You can't tell me Paul Williams is a natural 147 pounder. Every weight that Roy Jones Jnr fought at was natural bar Heavyweight.... Same goes for Oscar Dela Hoya (again, bar middleweight).

You just cant go around labelling these guys as natural anything other than the weight they are fighting in... Or at least the weight of their opponents

Mayweather was putting on weight to move up from 130 as soon as he beat Corrales. He moved out of 130 and 135 with a lot of work in the weightroom which made making weight for Chavez and Ndou tough, but its not because he was too big for the weight classes. You can tell by his diminishing punchstats and his progressively more and more defensive style that Mayweather moved up quicker than he should have. Mosley, Margarito, Cotto, Berto, Clottey, Collazo all have weighed in around 160 for welterweight fights, MAyweather comes in at 150 tops. That is ten pounds smaller than these guys. You can't say he is naturally the same size as guys that walk around 30-40 pounds heavier than him.

To go back to the biased thing, go back a few years and you will see I hated Pacquiao, I hated Calzaghe, I hated a lot of guys. Now I like most of the top fighters. I am biased towards skill in all forms, and thats it.

I wouldn't say he was naturally the same size as Clottey and Margarito, but then i wouldn't say they were natural Welterweights

Also, can you please varify your comments on Mayweather using weight to bulk up to 135?