Kirkland news, kind of.

[OumaFan]

not sure its breaking news necessarily but kind of an assessment of the situation.

Anyway there's an article on boxingscene.

His co-manager is a lawyer and talks about his case. The problem is that he's had prior problems, was even on probation at the time, and its a federal case so there are fairly strict guidelines as far as sentencing. The federal prosecutor is asking for 45 to 54 months.

His manager is "hoping for a miracle" and that would be 18-20 months. If its less than 20 months (he already has 5 months served so it would go to 15 apparently) he could spend the last six months at a halfway house and if that happens he could train while he was there and, according to him, possibly fight.

Ann Wolfe, ODLH, etc will speak at his sentencing hearing.

[DaxxKahn]

He did it to himself, I could see if it was something where he was guilty by association but he broke the law and on probation to top it off.....He blew a good thing....Instead of on his way to a title shot making millions he rather be a petty thug

[markb018]

He did it to himself, I could see if it was something where he was guilty by association but he broke the law and on probation to top it off.....He blew a good thing....Instead of on his way to a title shot making millions he rather be a petty thug

Couldn't agree more, I definitely have no sympathy for people who have been given second chances and blow it. Could have changed his life around if he wanted

[killersheep]

When is his sentencing hearing?

[amat]

That's true and certainly there has to be some responsibility exercised by Kirkland, but I'm glad that ODLH is going to speak for him. De La Hoya has put his neck on the line for Kirkland, any corporate run pro sports franchise would have cut bait a long time ago. He's 25, I hope he doesn't get 3 years or you could essentially forget about his career.

Say what you want, but boxing was most likely the best thing Kirkland had and I'll assume it's what he's best at. After he gets out of prison that will have been taken away from him for to long to pick up the pieces and make another run.

It's a sad case, say what you want about him being a thug, but if there is a way to turn his life around it will likely be with boxing. Oh well, hopefully he can make good for himself.

[ElTerribleMorales]

He did it to himself, I could see if it was something where he was guilty by association but he broke the law and on probation to top it off.....He blew a good thing....Instead of on his way to a title shot making millions he rather be a petty thug

Couldn't agree more, I definitely have no sympathy for people who have been given second chances and blow it. Could have changed his life around if he wanted

yea i completely agree with both, i honestly never thought too much of Kirkland to begin with, i have said numerous times on here, ANYONE with a good right hand would give Kirkland fits, Julio did this to a certain point, IMO Williams (although a southpaw), Martinez, Forrest (RIP), Mora, hell even Cintron would have probably handed Kirkland his ass

[global]

Dude was robbed at gunpoint earlier this year, I know laws are laws but it is not like he pulled a gun on anyone this time. I don't get this idea that Kirkland is trying to play a thug or anything like that. I think he was trying to obtain a gun to make sure he wouldn't be letting himself be robbed again. I don't really know if I agree that felons shouldn't be allowed to carry weapons either, I mean aren't they the people most likely to be shot? They should have to get a permit like anyone else but it is pretty much a fact that if they won't let you get one legally you will have to get one illegally in order to protect yourself.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Dude was robbed at gunpoint earlier this year, I know laws are laws but it is not like he pulled a gun on anyone this time. I don't get this idea that Kirkland is trying to play a thug or anything like that. I think he was trying to obtain a gun to make sure he wouldn't be letting himself be robbed again. I don't really know if I agree that felons shouldn't be allowed to carry weapons either, I mean aren't they the people most likely to be shot? They should have to get a permit like anyone else but it is pretty much a fact that if they won't let you get one legally you will have to get one illegally in order to protect yourself.

should of thought of that shit before being the one doing the robbing, don't you think? fuck James Kirkland, i have no pity on the idiot, laws are laws, he got a second chance, and fucked it up, Forrest got robbed, and had a gun, legally, and well you know how that turned out, difference is Forrest helped people and was never the guy on the other side, my sister was robbed at gun point she had no gun, think i'm gonna have any pity for the guy who did it to her if the same shit gets back to him? hell no

[markb018]

Dude was robbed at gunpoint earlier this year, I know laws are laws but it is not like he pulled a gun on anyone this time. I don't get this idea that Kirkland is trying to play a thug or anything like that. I think he was trying to obtain a gun to make sure he wouldn't be letting himself be robbed again. I don't really know if I agree that felons shouldn't be allowed to carry weapons either, I mean aren't they the people most likely to be shot? They should have to get a permit like anyone else but it is pretty much a fact that if they won't let you get one legally you will have to get one illegally in order to protect yourself.

Yea lets give felons the opportunity to carry guns, awesome idea

[global]

Dude was robbed at gunpoint earlier this year, I know laws are laws but it is not like he pulled a gun on anyone this time. I don't get this idea that Kirkland is trying to play a thug or anything like that. I think he was trying to obtain a gun to make sure he wouldn't be letting himself be robbed again. I don't really know if I agree that felons shouldn't be allowed to carry weapons either, I mean aren't they the people most likely to be shot? They should have to get a permit like anyone else but it is pretty much a fact that if they won't let you get one legally you will have to get one illegally in order to protect yourself.

Yea lets give felons the opportunity to carry guns, awesome idea

At least then we would have a record of the guns they have. Do you think actual gang bangers and violent criminals aren't going to go out and buy another gun illegally anyway? I'm not saying Kirkland should be able to own a gun but there is simple logic to why he might feel the need to own one. That thought has more to do with people automatically thinking he is a thug, and the comments about felons being allowed to own guns to do with the actual law. I know in Kirkland's case he was arrested for a firearm related offense before and he should get in trouble for this. What about someone that stole $1000 worth of golf clubs though and got a felony charge, should they not be allowed to own a gun to protect themselves? Or someone who records a conversation without consent in the state I live, FL, they get charged with a felony and lose the right to protect themselves. Instead of saying all felons can't ever have a gun or ammo again they should change it to crimes seriously violent in nature or felonies commited with the presence of a gun should lose gun rights or make it part of the sentencing on a case by case basis.

Right now it is a blanket law that is not fair. There is/was supposed to be a way to regain gun rights as a felon by requesting a background check that would be conducted by ATF but the federal government doesn't give them funds to run any checks. I am more of the opinion that we should find a way to serial number bullets and make them extremely expensive to buy. Then if someone steals your bullets, you should have to report that the same way you'd report a gun stolen. Say a box of 100 runs from serial number 1000-1100 and they have a record of who bought it, then whoever bought the bullets better have a good excuse for how any bullets with those numbers may have ended up at a crime scene.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Dude was robbed at gunpoint earlier this year, I know laws are laws but it is not like he pulled a gun on anyone this time. I don't get this idea that Kirkland is trying to play a thug or anything like that. I think he was trying to obtain a gun to make sure he wouldn't be letting himself be robbed again. I don't really know if I agree that felons shouldn't be allowed to carry weapons either, I mean aren't they the people most likely to be shot? They should have to get a permit like anyone else but it is pretty much a fact that if they won't let you get one legally you will have to get one illegally in order to protect yourself.

Yea lets give felons the opportunity to carry guns, awesome idea

At least then we would have a record of the guns they have. Do you think actual gang bangers and violent criminals aren't going to go out and buy another gun illegally anyway? I'm not saying Kirkland should be able to own a gun but there is simple logic to why he might feel the need to own one. That thought has more to do with people automatically thinking he is a thug, and the comments about felons being allowed to own guns to do with the actual law. I know in Kirkland's case he was arrested for a firearm related offense before and he should get in trouble for this. What about someone that stole $1000 worth of golf clubs though and got a felony charge, should they not be allowed to own a gun to protect themselves? Or someone who records a conversation without consent in the state I live, FL, they get charged with a felony and lose the right to protect themselves. Instead of saying all felons can't ever have a gun or ammo again they should change it to crimes seriously violent in nature or felonies commited with the presence of a gun should lose gun rights or make it part of the sentencing on a case by case basis.

Right now it is a blanket law that is not fair. There is/was supposed to be a way to regain gun rights as a felon by requesting a background check that would be conducted by ATF but the federal government doesn't give them funds to run any checks. I am more of the opinion that we should find a way to serial number bullets and make them extremely expensive to buy. Then if someone steals your bullets, you should have to report that the same way you'd report a gun stolen. Say a box of 100 runs from serial number 1000-1100 and they have a record of who bought it, then whoever bought the bullets better have a good excuse for how any bullets with those numbers may have ended up at a crime scene.

yea and drug dealers only have the shit on them for personal use, convicted rapists or pedophiles should be able to babysit your children, and so on

[global]

Yea lets give felons the opportunity to carry guns, awesome idea

At least then we would have a record of the guns they have. Do you think actual gang bangers and violent criminals aren't going to go out and buy another gun illegally anyway? I'm not saying Kirkland should be able to own a gun but there is simple logic to why he might feel the need to own one. That thought has more to do with people automatically thinking he is a thug, and the comments about felons being allowed to own guns to do with the actual law. I know in Kirkland's case he was arrested for a firearm related offense before and he should get in trouble for this. What about someone that stole $1000 worth of golf clubs though and got a felony charge, should they not be allowed to own a gun to protect themselves? Or someone who records a conversation without consent in the state I live, FL, they get charged with a felony and lose the right to protect themselves. Instead of saying all felons can't ever have a gun or ammo again they should change it to crimes seriously violent in nature or felonies commited with the presence of a gun should lose gun rights or make it part of the sentencing on a case by case basis.

Right now it is a blanket law that is not fair. There is/was supposed to be a way to regain gun rights as a felon by requesting a background check that would be conducted by ATF but the federal government doesn't give them funds to run any checks. I am more of the opinion that we should find a way to serial number bullets and make them extremely expensive to buy. Then if someone steals your bullets, you should have to report that the same way you'd report a gun stolen. Say a box of 100 runs from serial number 1000-1100 and they have a record of who bought it, then whoever bought the bullets better have a good excuse for how any bullets with those numbers may have ended up at a crime scene.

yea and drug dealers only have the shit on them for personal use, convicted rapists or pedophiles should be able to babysit your children, and so on

And any of that has to do with gun laws how? Previously convicted drug dealers I believe shouldn't face any worse punishment than a normal person if they were to be found in possession of an amount appropriate to personal use. Sexual predators of almost all types need to have harsher sentences for sure. Pedophiles shouldn't be allowed near children ever, there is quite a bit of evidence suggesting most will never stop having fantasies and urges. Again I don't know how any of that has to do with gun laws regarding felons though.

[ElTerribleMorales]

At least then we would have a record of the guns they have. Do you think actual gang bangers and violent criminals aren't going to go out and buy another gun illegally anyway? I'm not saying Kirkland should be able to own a gun but there is simple logic to why he might feel the need to own one. That thought has more to do with people automatically thinking he is a thug, and the comments about felons being allowed to own guns to do with the actual law. I know in Kirkland's case he was arrested for a firearm related offense before and he should get in trouble for this. What about someone that stole $1000 worth of golf clubs though and got a felony charge, should they not be allowed to own a gun to protect themselves? Or someone who records a conversation without consent in the state I live, FL, they get charged with a felony and lose the right to protect themselves. Instead of saying all felons can't ever have a gun or ammo again they should change it to crimes seriously violent in nature or felonies commited with the presence of a gun should lose gun rights or make it part of the sentencing on a case by case basis.

Right now it is a blanket law that is not fair. There is/was supposed to be a way to regain gun rights as a felon by requesting a background check that would be conducted by ATF but the federal government doesn't give them funds to run any checks. I am more of the opinion that we should find a way to serial number bullets and make them extremely expensive to buy. Then if someone steals your bullets, you should have to report that the same way you'd report a gun stolen. Say a box of 100 runs from serial number 1000-1100 and they have a record of who bought it, then whoever bought the bullets better have a good excuse for how any bullets with those numbers may have ended up at a crime scene.

yea and drug dealers only have the shit on them for personal use, convicted rapists or pedophiles should be able to babysit your children, and so on

And any of that has to do with gun laws how? Previously convicted drug dealers I believe shouldn't face any worse punishment than a normal person if they were to be found in possession of an amount appropriate to personal use. Sexual predators of almost all types need to have harsher sentences for sure. Pedophiles shouldn't be allowed near children ever, there is quite a bit of evidence suggesting most will never stop having fantasies and urges. Again I don't know how any of that has to do with gun laws regarding felons though.

umm yea i'm seriously not gonna bother talkin to this brick wall, mark this one's all yours

[markb018]

yea and drug dealers only have the shit on them for personal use, convicted rapists or pedophiles should be able to babysit your children, and so on

And any of that has to do with gun laws how? Previously convicted drug dealers I believe shouldn't face any worse punishment than a normal person if they were to be found in possession of an amount appropriate to personal use. Sexual predators of almost all types need to have harsher sentences for sure. Pedophiles shouldn't be allowed near children ever, there is quite a bit of evidence suggesting most will never stop having fantasies and urges. Again I don't know how any of that has to do with gun laws regarding felons though.

umm yea i'm seriously not gonna bother talkin to this brick wall, mark this one's all yours

haha, nah man, I didn't even want to respond in the first place. You can't beat common sense into some people.

[global]

And any of that has to do with gun laws how? Previously convicted drug dealers I believe shouldn't face any worse punishment than a normal person if they were to be found in possession of an amount appropriate to personal use. Sexual predators of almost all types need to have harsher sentences for sure. Pedophiles shouldn't be allowed near children ever, there is quite a bit of evidence suggesting most will never stop having fantasies and urges. Again I don't know how any of that has to do with gun laws regarding felons though.

umm yea i'm seriously not gonna bother talkin to this brick wall, mark this one's all yours

haha, nah man, I didn't even want to respond in the first place. You can't beat common sense into some people.

Mark, it is much easier to just say "yeah he has no common sense" than it is to actually show any kind of evidence of such. So what about my posts isn't common sense? We can agree that people with violent convictions in the past should in most cases not get their gun rights back and we can agree that Kirkland should be punished for this. So the difference is that I believe we shouldn't have a blanket law disallowing felons from owning guns? Fine you can believe they shouldn't but isn't it common sense that someone who stole over $1000, cheated on taxes, or committed some other non violent offense deemed a felony shouldn't be excluded from owning a gun? Or is the problem that I said I could understand why Kirkland might want to own a gun after being robbed at gunpoint earlier this year?

And Morales, you couldn't explain what pedophiles and drug dealing has to do with any of the previous statements, instead you chose to just say I'm not listening. I'm listening I just want to hear something back related to what I was saying