Wacko, welcome back.....now listen up! Bernard Hopkins doesn't fight 12 full rounds, Hopkins ROUTINELY gives away the first part of the fight which is why Jermain Taylor beat him TWICE.

Hopkins is old, he's got limits to his game that he didn't have before, and someone who is flawed but youthful enough to outwork Hopkins always has a chance. Kelly Pavlik just got outboxed plain and simple, I think Jermain Taylor had it closer and may have even won the rematch. Kelly Pavlik can be outboxed, not because he's not talented, but he allows himself to be outboxed.

The sad thing about this question is that we never got to see Bernard fight anyone really serious at 160 during his prime, he was green when Roy took him to school, the only big names he fought up until Jermain Taylor were Oscar De la Hoya and Felix Trinidad who started at much lighter weight classes.