Lets be honest about last night!!!!

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

Let mayweather try to move up 2 weight classes for his body size against a bigger, stonger, faster guy with a huge reach advantage and great defence and see how well he does.

[KananKrus]

If I could go back in time and watch an oldie mega fight LIVE.... I'd go pick and watch David against Goliath. No way tho', I wouldn't watch if David's without his slingshot!

[Nameless]

Though I really wanted Marquez to win, even did vote for him to pull him out, when I realize that the reach difference was 13 inches and that Mayweather was more or less 20 extra pounds on the scale, I knew it was over already.
I hate him but Money has skills and it will take somebody genuinely at least his own size to beat him, it'll happen someday but even a great warrior with incredible skills like Marquez with this size difference had no chance to make it happens.
Something that does surprise me though is that Mayweather's fine wasn't high at all for exceeding by 2 pounds the weight limit, at least, if it is true that he'll receive 10 millions for this fight, of course.

[TheMacMagician]

Great win for Floyd, can't take it away from him he came in shape did his job and looked great doing it.

Marquez from the first bell looked like crap,, an old fighter who should hang them up, I said it after the Diaz fight and say it again, you can see the reflexes are not there like they used to be and he looked slow.

Again can not take anything away from Floyd because he did his job and came in shape looked great doing it.

NOW!!!!!!

Before anyone starts calling him P4P #1 again lets get to some real business, lets either fight the Elite at 154 (Paul Williams) or get in with the real men at 147.

Lets stop with the bullshit "They are not big enough draws for me to fight" and get in with Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao,

Hell even Spinks at 154, Dzindziruk would be a step at showing something. I would pick Floyd to win those but at least show the balls to make it clear you want the best.

The win over Marquez was a good win but in no way a reason to stand in line to give Floyd honorary handjobs, and in no way to put him in front of everyone and make him P4P#1

Bang on

[Majesty]

Let mayweather try to move up 2 weight classes for his body size against a bigger, stonger, faster guy with a huge reach advantage and great defence and see how well he does.

Floyd's already fought taller opponents with a greater reach advantage.

And he went up to Oscar's weight as his first fight at 154 in Oscars ring, Oscars promotion, Oscars gloves, Oscar's venue and still beat him. yet Pacquiao gets more credit for beating a dead zombie of Oscar De La Hoya then Floyd does for doing it the first time.

By the way Floyd weighed in at 150 for the Oscar De La Hoya fight and Oscar came in at 154, it was the same 4 pound weight advantage and Floyd didnt have an issue nto to mention it was his first fight at 154 but lets just forget all that and complain that Floyd weighed one pound under the "contracted" weight to take more credit from him.

And i hope you're aware that Floyd would have that same height and reach advantage against Marquez even if they fought at 135 and it would be an even bigger speed advantage. Come on guys this is getting silly.

Great win for Floyd, can't take it away from him he came in shape did his job and looked great doing it.

Marquez from the first bell looked like crap,, an old fighter who should hang them up, I said it after the Diaz fight and say it again, you can see the reflexes are not there like they used to be and he looked slow.

Again can not take anything away from Floyd because he did his job and came in shape looked great doing it.

NOW!!!!!!

Before anyone starts calling him P4P #1 again lets get to some real business, lets either fight the Elite at 154 (Paul Williams) or get in with the real men at 147.

Lets stop with the bullshit "They are not big enough draws for me to fight" and get in with Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao,

Hell even Spinks at 154, Dzindziruk would be a step at showing something. I would pick Floyd to win those but at least show the balls to make it clear you want the best.

The win over Marquez was a good win but in no way a reason to stand in line to give Floyd honorary handjobs, and in no way to put him in front of everyone and make him P4P#1

neither Mosley Cotto or Pacquiao want a part of Paul Williams and neither of them are trying to fight Berto. So why is Floyd who just came back from retirement while all these people have been active the man that HAS to challenge these people? Where are the "why doesn't Shane fight Paul Williams, or Berto" threads?

[sumkalambay]

tell it like it is.

[littlebif]

Although Floyd was the bigger man i though Marquez might of caused a few early problems in the first couple of rounds.how wrong was i lol.

[TheMacMagician]

Let mayweather try to move up 2 weight classes for his body size against a bigger, stonger, faster guy with a huge reach advantage and great defence and see how well he does.

Floyd's already fought taller opponents with a greater reach advantage.

And he went up to Oscar's weight as his first fight at 154 in Oscars ring, Oscars promotion, Oscars gloves, Oscar's venue and still beat him. yet Pacquiao gets more credit for beating a dead zombie of Oscar De La Hoya then Floyd does for doing it the first time.

By the way Floyd weighed in at 150 for the Oscar De La Hoya fight and Oscar came in at 154, it was the same 4 pound weight advantage and Floyd didnt have an issue nto to mention it was his first fight at 154 but lets just forget all that and complain that Floyd weighed one pound under the "contracted" weight to take more credit from him.

And i hope you're aware that Floyd would have that same height and reach advantage against Marquez even if they fought at 135 and it would be an even bigger speed advantage. Come on guys this is getting silly.

Great win for Floyd, can't take it away from him he came in shape did his job and looked great doing it.

Marquez from the first bell looked like crap,, an old fighter who should hang them up, I said it after the Diaz fight and say it again, you can see the reflexes are not there like they used to be and he looked slow.

Again can not take anything away from Floyd because he did his job and came in shape looked great doing it.

NOW!!!!!!

Before anyone starts calling him P4P #1 again lets get to some real business, lets either fight the Elite at 154 (Paul Williams) or get in with the real men at 147.

Lets stop with the bullshit "They are not big enough draws for me to fight" and get in with Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao,

Hell even Spinks at 154, Dzindziruk would be a step at showing something. I would pick Floyd to win those but at least show the balls to make it clear you want the best.

The win over Marquez was a good win but in no way a reason to stand in line to give Floyd honorary handjobs, and in no way to put him in front of everyone and make him P4P#1

neither Mosley Cotto or Pacquiao want a part of Paul Williams and neither of them are trying to fight Berto. So why is Floyd who just came back from retirement while all these people have been active the man that HAS to challenge these people? Where are the "why doesn't Shane fight Paul Williams, or Berto" threads?

If we compare the challenges undertaken against individual opponents, i think it'd be clear that Mosleys record needs no flak for choice of opponents. You'll probably find atleast 5 fighters of greater challenge than floyd has on his resume. Foresst, Winky, Cotto and Margarito to name four straight away

[Majesty]

Let mayweather try to move up 2 weight classes for his body size against a bigger, stonger, faster guy with a huge reach advantage and great defence and see how well he does.

Floyd's already fought taller opponents with a greater reach advantage.

And he went up to Oscar's weight as his first fight at 154 in Oscars ring, Oscars promotion, Oscars gloves, Oscar's venue and still beat him. yet Pacquiao gets more credit for beating a dead zombie of Oscar De La Hoya then Floyd does for doing it the first time.

By the way Floyd weighed in at 150 for the Oscar De La Hoya fight and Oscar came in at 154, it was the same 4 pound weight advantage and Floyd didnt have an issue nto to mention it was his first fight at 154 but lets just forget all that and complain that Floyd weighed one pound under the "contracted" weight to take more credit from him.

And i hope you're aware that Floyd would have that same height and reach advantage against Marquez even if they fought at 135 and it would be an even bigger speed advantage. Come on guys this is getting silly.

Great win for Floyd, can't take it away from him he came in shape did his job and looked great doing it.

Marquez from the first bell looked like crap,, an old fighter who should hang them up, I said it after the Diaz fight and say it again, you can see the reflexes are not there like they used to be and he looked slow.

Again can not take anything away from Floyd because he did his job and came in shape looked great doing it.

NOW!!!!!!

Before anyone starts calling him P4P #1 again lets get to some real business, lets either fight the Elite at 154 (Paul Williams) or get in with the real men at 147.

Lets stop with the bullshit "They are not big enough draws for me to fight" and get in with Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao,

Hell even Spinks at 154, Dzindziruk would be a step at showing something. I would pick Floyd to win those but at least show the balls to make it clear you want the best.

The win over Marquez was a good win but in no way a reason to stand in line to give Floyd honorary handjobs, and in no way to put him in front of everyone and make him P4P#1

neither Mosley Cotto or Pacquiao want a part of Paul Williams and neither of them are trying to fight Berto. So why is Floyd who just came back from retirement while all these people have been active the man that HAS to challenge these people? Where are the "why doesn't Shane fight Paul Williams, or Berto" threads?

If we compare the challenges undertaken against individual opponents, i think it'd be clear that Mosleys record needs no flak for choice of opponents. You'll probably find atleast 5 fighters of greater challenge than floyd has on his resume. Foresst, Winky, Cotto and Margarito to name four straight away

He lost to both Forrest and Winky by the way. So they are counted for him just taking them on but not losing twice to both? Hell Trinidad has Winky on his record, want to give him credit for losing too? Mosley also lost to Cotto, the only people on that 4 Mosley has beaten was Margarito.

now lets look at Floyds

G. Hernandez, C. Hernandez, Chavez, Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Judah, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez.

Mayweather beat them all.

In fact putting all those names on Shanes resume. You say, Forrest, Wright, Cotto, De La Hoya. The only person Shane beat was Oscar. And even that was debatable the second time around.

[Kel]

Floyd's already fought taller opponents with a greater reach advantage.

And he went up to Oscar's weight as his first fight at 154 in Oscars ring, Oscars promotion, Oscars gloves, Oscar's venue and still beat him. yet Pacquiao gets more credit for beating a dead zombie of Oscar De La Hoya then Floyd does for doing it the first time.

By the way Floyd weighed in at 150 for the Oscar De La Hoya fight and Oscar came in at 154, it was the same 4 pound weight advantage and Floyd didnt have an issue nto to mention it was his first fight at 154 but lets just forget all that and complain that Floyd weighed one pound under the "contracted" weight to take more credit from him.

And i hope you're aware that Floyd would have that same height and reach advantage against Marquez even if they fought at 135 and it would be an even bigger speed advantage. Come on guys this is getting silly.


neither Mosley Cotto or Pacquiao want a part of Paul Williams and neither of them are trying to fight Berto. So why is Floyd who just came back from retirement while all these people have been active the man that HAS to challenge these people? Where are the "why doesn't Shane fight Paul Williams, or Berto" threads?

If we compare the challenges undertaken against individual opponents, i think it'd be clear that Mosleys record needs no flak for choice of opponents. You'll probably find atleast 5 fighters of greater challenge than floyd has on his resume. Foresst, Winky, Cotto and Margarito to name four straight away

He lost to both Forrest and Winky by the way. So they are counted for him just taking them on but not losing twice to both? Hell Trinidad has Winky on his record, want to give him credit for losing too? Mosley also lost to Cotto, the only people on that 4 Mosley has beaten was Margarito.

now lets look at Floyds

G. Hernandez, C. Hernandez, Chavez, Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Judah, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez.

Mayweather beat them all.

In fact putting all those names on Shanes resume. You say, Forrest, Wright, Cotto, De La Hoya. The only person Shane beat was Oscar. And even that was debatable the second time around.

Castillo beat him and the rest were at the end of their careers. The elite stopped Judah, Gatti was battered by DLH before his wars with Ward years before and stopped quicker, Hoya was at the end of his career, Baldomir was a one off lucky 'Rocky story', Hatton was crap at Welter as was Marquez. Shane has lost fights because he has fought the best and most dangerous guys around while they were in their PRIME!

Surely you know your talking rubbish

[Majesty]

If we compare the challenges undertaken against individual opponents, i think it'd be clear that Mosleys record needs no flak for choice of opponents. You'll probably find atleast 5 fighters of greater challenge than floyd has on his resume. Foresst, Winky, Cotto and Margarito to name four straight away

He lost to both Forrest and Winky by the way. So they are counted for him just taking them on but not losing twice to both? Hell Trinidad has Winky on his record, want to give him credit for losing too? Mosley also lost to Cotto, the only people on that 4 Mosley has beaten was Margarito.

now lets look at Floyds

G. Hernandez, C. Hernandez, Chavez, Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Judah, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez.

Mayweather beat them all.

In fact putting all those names on Shanes resume. You say, Forrest, Wright, Cotto, De La Hoya. The only person Shane beat was Oscar. And even that was debatable the second time around.

Castillo beat him and the rest were at the end of their careers. The elite stopped Judah, Gatti was battered by DLH before his wars with Ward years before and stopped quicker, Hoya was at the end of his career, Baldomir was a one off lucky 'Rocky story', Hatton was crap at Welter as was Marquez. Shane has lost fights because he has fought the best and most dangerous guys around while they were in their PRIME!

Surely you know your talking rubbish

I can cherry pick too. lets compare to the current p4p number 1.

Pacquiao lost to Marquez twice, even more clear the second time around. When Mayweather fought Castillo the second time around he beat him easily, he didn't struggle worse.

Hatton, De La Hoya, Barerra and Morales were at the end of their careers when Pacquiao fought them and De La Hoya and Hatton are the two fights that vaulted him to the number 1 p4p spot, but when Mayweather does it first and when they are a lot fresher then when they fought Pacquiao then you take credit from him? And no matter what kind of spin you want to put on Shane's losses, he still lost them, if Mayweather were to fight Wright and lose no one would say that it was because he was willing to fight the best they'd use it as an excuse to say he wasn't the best anyway. And Forrest made his name off of destroying Shane Mosley. So who is the one talking rubbish here? Get over the hate

[Kel]

He lost to both Forrest and Winky by the way. So they are counted for him just taking them on but not losing twice to both? Hell Trinidad has Winky on his record, want to give him credit for losing too? Mosley also lost to Cotto, the only people on that 4 Mosley has beaten was Margarito.

now lets look at Floyds

G. Hernandez, C. Hernandez, Chavez, Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Judah, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez.

Mayweather beat them all.

In fact putting all those names on Shanes resume. You say, Forrest, Wright, Cotto, De La Hoya. The only person Shane beat was Oscar. And even that was debatable the second time around.

Castillo beat him and the rest were at the end of their careers. The elite stopped Judah, Gatti was battered by DLH before his wars with Ward years before and stopped quicker, Hoya was at the end of his career, Baldomir was a one off lucky 'Rocky story', Hatton was crap at Welter as was Marquez. Shane has lost fights because he has fought the best and most dangerous guys around while they were in their PRIME!

Surely you know your talking rubbish

Pacquiao lost to Marquez twice, even more clear the second time around. When Mayweather fought Castillo the second time around he beat him easily, he didn't struggle worse.

Hatton, De La Hoya, Barerra and Morales were at the end of their careers when Pacquiao fought them and De La Hoya and Hatton are the two fights that vaulted him to the number 1 p4p spot, but when Mayweather does it first and when they are a lot fresher then when they fought Pacquiao then you take credit from him? So who is the one talking rubbish here?

I was talking about Floyd not Pac. Which bits confusing you? I reply to your post regarding Floyd and Shane and you start talking about Pacman.

I give up man you avoid the issue all the time so to hell with it lol

[sumkalambay]

If we compare the challenges undertaken against individual opponents, i think it'd be clear that Mosleys record needs no flak for choice of opponents. You'll probably find atleast 5 fighters of greater challenge than floyd has on his resume. Foresst, Winky, Cotto and Margarito to name four straight away

He lost to both Forrest and Winky by the way. So they are counted for him just taking them on but not losing twice to both? Hell Trinidad has Winky on his record, want to give him credit for losing too? Mosley also lost to Cotto, the only people on that 4 Mosley has beaten was Margarito.

now lets look at Floyds

G. Hernandez, C. Hernandez, Chavez, Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Judah, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez.

Mayweather beat them all.

In fact putting all those names on Shanes resume. You say, Forrest, Wright, Cotto, De La Hoya. The only person Shane beat was Oscar. And even that was debatable the second time around.

Castillo beat him and the rest were at the end of their careers. The elite stopped Judah, Gatti was battered by DLH before his wars with Ward years before and stopped quicker, Hoya was at the end of his career, Baldomir was a one off lucky 'Rocky story', Hatton was crap at Welter as was Marquez. Shane has lost fights because he has fought the best and most dangerous guys around while they were in their PRIME!

Surely you know your talking rubbish

like it or not, PBF does have a very good resume. corrales, genero hernandez, castillo, demarcus corley.

plus, he gave boxing lessons after boxing lessons.

[Majesty]

Castillo beat him and the rest were at the end of their careers. The elite stopped Judah, Gatti was battered by DLH before his wars with Ward years before and stopped quicker, Hoya was at the end of his career, Baldomir was a one off lucky 'Rocky story', Hatton was crap at Welter as was Marquez. Shane has lost fights because he has fought the best and most dangerous guys around while they were in their PRIME!

Surely you know your talking rubbish

Pacquiao lost to Marquez twice, even more clear the second time around. When Mayweather fought Castillo the second time around he beat him easily, he didn't struggle worse.

Hatton, De La Hoya, Barerra and Morales were at the end of their careers when Pacquiao fought them and De La Hoya and Hatton are the two fights that vaulted him to the number 1 p4p spot, but when Mayweather does it first and when they are a lot fresher then when they fought Pacquiao then you take credit from him? So who is the one talking rubbish here?

I was talking about Floyd not Pac. Which bits confusing you? I reply to your post regarding Floyd and Shane and you start talking about Pacman.

I give up man you avoid the issue all the time so to hell with it lol

Apparently you made this before I added the information about Shane.

So let me put it here

And no matter what kind of spin you want to put on Shane's losses, he still lost them, if Mayweather were to fight Wright and lose no one would say that it was because he was willing to fight the best they'd use it as an excuse to say he wasn't the best anyway. And Forrest made his name off of destroying Shane Mosley, prior to that he was an unknown . So who is the one talking rubbish here? Get over the hate. After he beat Oscar he fought a bunch of nobodies until Forrest wrecked him, and then went on to lose again, and then fought Wright and lost one sidedly, and then lost again to Wright.

Like I said, if Floyd had those losses on his record people wouldn't say "it's a testament to how great Floyd is to fight the best" they'd say "whenever he stepped up to some REAL competition he got beaten" and thats just how it is. Its a double standard when it comes to people like Floyd and people like Mosley. You make up two different sets of rules depending on which fighter you like more. Don't blame Floyd for winning and don't credit Mosley for losing. Floyd wanted a piece of Shane a long long time ago back and Shane didn't want it. The only reason Shane wants Floyd now is because it would get him one final pay day to go off into the sunset on. That's where the most money is. If Shane wanted a challenge he'd be fighting the people everyone is saying Floyd should be fighting. Why isn't Mosley moving up to 154 to fight Paul Williams? Why does Floyd have to be the one to do it? Why does Floyd have to fight Berto? Shouldn't Shane be trying to make that fight? Shane is as much after mega paydays as Floyd is and will cherry pick just as bad if he wants to make his money. But people only acknowledge when Floyd does it because he is easier to hate.

[Mar]

Let mayweather try to move up 2 weight classes for his body size against a bigger, stonger, faster guy with a huge reach advantage and great defence and see how well he does.

Like he did against oscar ? Floyd should be given the same credit marquez would have gotton if he won. Marques knew about the size, reach, elbows etc..before he stepped in the ring. This type of stuff is exactly why floyd shouldn't waste our time fighting pac, switch the names and the excuses will be the same.