Gives me great pleasure to say this** IMO**

[Pugilistic]

Hopkins is greater than PBF, like it or not.

he has the better resume and showed the same level of ring dominance.

I guess you somehow dispute the above referenced validity Hopkins biggest wins over significantly smaller guys?

I think Nard had a great career and I appreciate all he has done, but I am barking up his tree to illustrate how Floyd is getting ripped on for fighting Hatton and JMM and then all of a sudden given the circumstances involved he is labeled as a big mean school yard bully who only picks on smaller fighters?

Yet Hopkins did it at just about every big fight in his career. Just dosent add up and thats all I was pointing out.

I don't recall Hopkins accusing Mayweather as a fighter picking on smaller fighters.

In most of Hopkins big fights he was the underdog so i don't understand how you can accuse him of picking on smaller fighters when he wasn't supposed to beat them.

For example Trinidad,Wright and Pavlik were the favourites to beat Hopkins.

Trinidad was supposed to ko Hopkins, instead all he got was a 12 round schooling and his ass sent into retirement. That was when the weight excuses came along.

Wright was supposed to have too much workrate for the 42 year old Hopkins to deal with but instead Hopkins ends up outworking Wright to a close but clear decision. The weight excuse didn't come along till \wright had an L in his loss column.

Pavlik was supposed to have too much pressure and power for the old man Hopkins to handle but instead Pavlik gets the biggest ass whooping in his career and loses by a pure shut out. surprise surprise people mention how Pavlik shouldn't of moved up to 170 when it wasn't a problem before the fight no ? Pavlik's bad performance had nothing to do with the fact that Hopkins used lateral movement, constant angles, his sharp defense, quick counters and superior handspeed to totally stun Pavlik. no it wasn't was it.

Then there's the DLH fight who i am willing to admit wasn't the fair fight as Hopkins was simply too big for Oscar. One thing people due tend to forget though, is that they fought at a catchweight of 156 which was only two pounds shy of where DLH was natural at..... at that stage of his career.

then once you include his big win over Tarver ( he was weight drained right ? ), that wasn't the case before though as Tarver was the clear favourite to win.

After all of that include solid wins over Eastman, Echols, Lipsey and Johnson and you got a man with a great career.

[Julius Rain]

Hopkins is greater than PBF, like it or not.

he has the better resume and showed the same level of ring dominance.

I guess you somehow dispute the above referenced validity Hopkins biggest wins over significantly smaller guys?

I think Nard had a great career and I appreciate all he has done, but I am barking up his tree to illustrate how Floyd is getting ripped on for fighting Hatton and JMM and then all of a sudden given the circumstances involved he is labeled as a big mean school yard bully who only picks on smaller fighters?

Yet Hopkins did it at just about every big fight in his career. Just dosent add up and thats all I was pointing out.

I don't recall Hopkins accusing Mayweather as a fighter picking on smaller fighters.

In most of Hopkins big fights he was the underdog so i don't understand how you can accuse him of picking on smaller fighters when he wasn't supposed to beat them.

For example Trinidad,Wright and Pavlik were the favourites to beat Hopkins.

Trinidad was supposed to ko Hopkins, instead all he got was a 12 round schooling and his ass sent into retirement. That was when the weight excuses came along.

Wright was supposed to have too much workrate for the 42 year old Hopkins to deal with but instead Hopkins ends up outworking Wright to a close but clear decision. The weight excuse didn't come along till \wright had an L in his loss column.

Pavlik was supposed to have too much pressure and power for the old man Hopkins to handle but instead Pavlik gets the biggest ass whooping in his career and loses by a pure shut out. surprise surprise people mention how Pavlik shouldn't of moved up to 170 when it wasn't a problem before the fight no ? Pavlik's bad performance had nothing to do with the fact that Hopkins used lateral movement, constant angles, his sharp defense, quick counters and superior handspeed to totally stun Pavlik. no it wasn't was it.

Then there's the DLH fight who i am willing to admit wasn't the fair fight as Hopkins was simply too big for Oscar. One thing people due tend to forget though, is that they fought at a catchweight of 156 which was only two pounds shy of where DLH was natural at..... at that stage of his career.

then once you include his big win over Tarver ( he was weight drained right ? ), that wasn't the case before though as Tarver was the clear favourite to win.

After all of that include solid wins over Eastman, Echols, Lipsey and Johnson and you got a man with a great career.

plus bhop dominated his division, has floyd? bhop may have taken on smaller fighters then him but he took care of business unlike floyd. floyds division is filled with threats he aint have the balls to take care of.

[JT Rock]

I guess you somehow dispute the above referenced validity Hopkins biggest wins over significantly smaller guys?

I think Nard had a great career and I appreciate all he has done, but I am barking up his tree to illustrate how Floyd is getting ripped on for fighting Hatton and JMM and then all of a sudden given the circumstances involved he is labeled as a big mean school yard bully who only picks on smaller fighters?

Yet Hopkins did it at just about every big fight in his career. Just dosent add up and thats all I was pointing out.

I don't recall Hopkins accusing Mayweather as a fighter picking on smaller fighters.

In most of Hopkins big fights he was the underdog so i don't understand how you can accuse him of picking on smaller fighters when he wasn't supposed to beat them.

For example Trinidad,Wright and Pavlik were the favourites to beat Hopkins.

Trinidad was supposed to ko Hopkins, instead all he got was a 12 round schooling and his ass sent into retirement. That was when the weight excuses came along.

Wright was supposed to have too much workrate for the 42 year old Hopkins to deal with but instead Hopkins ends up outworking Wright to a close but clear decision. The weight excuse didn't come along till \wright had an L in his loss column.

Pavlik was supposed to have too much pressure and power for the old man Hopkins to handle but instead Pavlik gets the biggest ass whooping in his career and loses by a pure shut out. surprise surprise people mention how Pavlik shouldn't of moved up to 170 when it wasn't a problem before the fight no ? Pavlik's bad performance had nothing to do with the fact that Hopkins used lateral movement, constant angles, his sharp defense, quick counters and superior handspeed to totally stun Pavlik. no it wasn't was it.

Then there's the DLH fight who i am willing to admit wasn't the fair fight as Hopkins was simply too big for Oscar. One thing people due tend to forget though, is that they fought at a catchweight of 156 which was only two pounds shy of where DLH was natural at..... at that stage of his career.

then once you include his big win over Tarver ( he was weight drained right ? ), that wasn't the case before though as Tarver was the clear favourite to win.

After all of that include solid wins over Eastman, Echols, Lipsey and Johnson and you got a man with a great career.

plus bhop dominated his division, has floyd? bhop may have taken on smaller fighters then him but he took care of business unlike floyd. floyds division is filled with threats he aint have the balls to take care of.

Thats quite an oxymoron Rains.. The whole premise of this conversation was to draw an illustration of how Floyd is all of a sudden fighting nothing but smaller fighters. So what your implying is Floyd is doing nothing wrong as long as he keeps fighting smaller guys coming up in weight like Hopkins

Again its foolish to try and compare a severly lacking Middleweight division that BHop ruled than the golden Era of the 140's today.

Point being you cant rake on Floyd for fighting 2 guys back to back that were not Welters and than laud Hop for doing it. Sorry dosent add up, any way you spin it, undeniably Hops biggest wins were against guys that were naturally smaller than him.

I am not tainting Hop's career he deserves all of his due and accolades, I'm just making a comparison on how its a blatant double standard

[Spicoli]

Tito going in total different direction from JMM with added weight & had legitimized himself at Middle with destruction of Champion Joppy....also I'm sure he was actually the favorite going in vs. Hopkins with a match with Roy Jones waiting in the wings.

[JT Rock]

Tito going in total different direction from JMM with added weight & had legitimized himself at Middle with destruction of Champion Joppy....also I'm sure he was actually the favorite going in vs. Hopkins with a match with Roy Jones waiting in the wings.

seriously am I on another Fukin planet here? This isint about JMM, this is about how ALL OF YOUR GUYS REPOITRE of hate has the addition now of how Floyd is a guy who only fights Small guys So maybe Trinidad wasnt the best example, but now we'll ignore

Wright
Pavlik
Dlh
Calzaghe, who beat Hopkins.

etc.

I cant believe of all people Spicoli I gotta hammer this home repetitively to get you off of my ass too... Big deal he fought JMM after 21 months out of the ring, it was a comeback fight a litmus test for chrise sakes. then before that he took a bizillion dollar dream fight against Hatton, which for the preceding years was one of the most heated debates of this decade over who would win, this was a HUGE FIGHT WORLDWIDE... You guys were right though he should have skipped on all of that and fought Margarito who just had got beaten by a prospect at the time Paul Williams(using elterriblemorrales logic here since it seems to be the only thing working for all of you) or Cotto who already had a fight lined up with Mosely who all of you think he should have fought too even though they were both contracted to fight each other

Prior to all of that Floyd gave up size plenty.. Look at his career its littered with it

[BIG H]

I don't think there was ever much debate about who would the Hatton fight JT

[JT Rock]

I don't think there was ever much debate about who would the Hatton fight JT

You certainly know far well you were in the minority of British people who thought Floyd would beat Ricky, I like to believe you at least remember th line that was drawn in the sand here, when the debates were quite rabid and abundant.

You do remember right?

[Pugilistic]

Tito going in total different direction from JMM with added weight & had legitimized himself at Middle with destruction of Champion Joppy....also I'm sure he was actually the favorite going in vs. Hopkins with a match with Roy Jones waiting in the wings.

seriously am I on another Fukin planet here? This isint about JMM, this is about how ALL OF YOUR GUYS REPOITRE of hate has the addition now of how Floyd is a guy who only fights Small guys So maybe Trinidad wasnt the best example, but now we'll ignore

Wright
Pavlik
Dlh
Calzaghe, who beat Hopkins.

etc.

I cant believe of all people Spicoli I gotta hammer this home repetitively to get you off of my ass too... Big deal he fought JMM after 21 months out of the ring, it was a comeback fight a litmus test for chrise sakes. then before that he took a bizillion dollar dream fight against Hatton, which for the preceding years was one of the most heated debates of this decade over who would win, this was a HUGE FIGHT WORLDWIDE... You guys were right though he should have skipped on all of that and fought Margarito who just had got beaten by a prospect at the time Paul Williams(using elterriblemorrales logic here since it seems to be the only thing working for all of you) or Cotto who already had a fight lined up with Mosely who all of you think he should have fought too even though they were both contracted to fight each other

Prior to all of that Floyd gave up size plenty.. Look at his career its littered with it

You clearly ignored my post.

And a side note on Calzaghe, Calzaghe was planning to move up to 175 for years, and was starting to find making 168 hard.

Calzaghe should of probably been a light heavyweight years before.

Hopkins never made any fighters move up, Those guys wanted a Hopkins fight and with his fights with Pavlik and Wright he had to come down 5 pounds at age 42/43.

I don't accuse Mayweather of picking on smaller guys by the way.

It was only two fights ago Mayweather was fighting a bigger DLH and just before that a bigger Baldomir.

[JT Rock]

Tito going in total different direction from JMM with added weight & had legitimized himself at Middle with destruction of Champion Joppy....also I'm sure he was actually the favorite going in vs. Hopkins with a match with Roy Jones waiting in the wings.

seriously am I on another Fukin planet here? This isint about JMM, this is about how ALL OF YOUR GUYS REPOITRE of hate has the addition now of how Floyd is a guy who only fights Small guys So maybe Trinidad wasnt the best example, but now we'll ignore

Wright
Pavlik
Dlh
Calzaghe, who beat Hopkins.

etc.

I cant believe of all people Spicoli I gotta hammer this home repetitively to get you off of my ass too... Big deal he fought JMM after 21 months out of the ring, it was a comeback fight a litmus test for chrise sakes. then before that he took a bizillion dollar dream fight against Hatton, which for the preceding years was one of the most heated debates of this decade over who would win, this was a HUGE FIGHT WORLDWIDE... You guys were right though he should have skipped on all of that and fought Margarito who just had got beaten by a prospect at the time Paul Williams(using elterriblemorrales logic here since it seems to be the only thing working for all of you) or Cotto who already had a fight lined up with Mosely who all of you think he should have fought too even though they were both contracted to fight each other

Prior to all of that Floyd gave up size plenty.. Look at his career its littered with it

You clearly ignored my post.

And a side note on Calzaghe, Calzaghe was planning to move up to 175 for years, and was starting to find making 168 hard.

Calzaghe should of probably been a light heavyweight years before.

Hopkins never made any fighters move up, Those guys wanted a Hopkins fight and with his fights with Pavlik and Wright he had to come down 5 pounds at age 42/43.

I don't accuse Mayweather of picking on smaller guys by the way.

It was only two fights ago Mayweather was fighting a bigger DLH and just before that a bigger Baldomir.

I dont believe I was directing anything toward you, as far as Calzaghe goes Hop could have gone to Lightheavy 7-8 years ago under his own admission

I hear what your saying about who what where and how, but they were still all smaller. Right? My post was directed more toward the guys who now claim Floyd is a bully who only fights smaller guys now.. I was simply making a comparison, not denigrating hops career

[Spicoli]

Tito going in total different direction from JMM with added weight & had legitimized himself at Middle with destruction of Champion Joppy....also I'm sure he was actually the favorite going in vs. Hopkins with a match with Roy Jones waiting in the wings.

seriously am I on another Fukin planet here? This isint about JMM, this is about how ALL OF YOUR GUYS REPOITRE of hate has the addition now of how Floyd is a guy who only fights Small guys So maybe Trinidad wasnt the best example, but now we'll ignore

Wright
Pavlik
Dlh
Calzaghe, who beat Hopkins.

etc.

I cant believe of all people Spicoli I gotta hammer this home repetitively to get you off of my ass too... Big deal he fought JMM after 21 months out of the ring, it was a comeback fight a litmus test for chrise sakes. then before that he took a bizillion dollar dream fight against Hatton, which for the preceding years was one of the most heated debates of this decade over who would win, this was a HUGE FIGHT WORLDWIDE... You guys were right though he should have skipped on all of that and fought Margarito who just had got beaten by a prospect at the time Paul Williams(using elterriblemorrales logic here since it seems to be the only thing working for all of you) or Cotto who already had a fight lined up with Mosely who all of you think he should have fought too even though they were both contracted to fight each other

Prior to all of that Floyd gave up size plenty.. Look at his career its littered with it

Respectfully bud
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You have me confused with someone who paints with as broad a brush as you are using here my friend.Simply making a point about the two fighters and circumstances of fights I mentioned.And at know time have I thrown Mayweathers entire resume out on the curb as a whole.Yeah,I dismissed the credibility of Hatton sooo much that I actually thought he stood a huge chance ,gave nothing but credit to Mayweather for that big drubbing.Yes,do believe he should have been in the welter sweepstakes and faced Clottey,Margarito,Cotto,Williams,shite even a not much in demand Oscar rematch off s dec.But,he did not...he 'retired'.In case you missed it Ive taken Hopkins to task on some of his less than stellar foes...that Oscar fight.It was a farce,again a strictly name event and Oscar did not belong anywhere neeeeaaaar Middleweight off "W" against Sturm.Put that huge brush away dude & lets keep it straight.

[Julius Rain]

I don't recall Hopkins accusing Mayweather as a fighter picking on smaller fighters.

In most of Hopkins big fights he was the underdog so i don't understand how you can accuse him of picking on smaller fighters when he wasn't supposed to beat them.

For example Trinidad,Wright and Pavlik were the favourites to beat Hopkins.

Trinidad was supposed to ko Hopkins, instead all he got was a 12 round schooling and his ass sent into retirement. That was when the weight excuses came along.

Wright was supposed to have too much workrate for the 42 year old Hopkins to deal with but instead Hopkins ends up outworking Wright to a close but clear decision. The weight excuse didn't come along till \wright had an L in his loss column.

Pavlik was supposed to have too much pressure and power for the old man Hopkins to handle but instead Pavlik gets the biggest ass whooping in his career and loses by a pure shut out. surprise surprise people mention how Pavlik shouldn't of moved up to 170 when it wasn't a problem before the fight no ? Pavlik's bad performance had nothing to do with the fact that Hopkins used lateral movement, constant angles, his sharp defense, quick counters and superior handspeed to totally stun Pavlik. no it wasn't was it.

Then there's the DLH fight who i am willing to admit wasn't the fair fight as Hopkins was simply too big for Oscar. One thing people due tend to forget though, is that they fought at a catchweight of 156 which was only two pounds shy of where DLH was natural at..... at that stage of his career.

then once you include his big win over Tarver ( he was weight drained right ? ), that wasn't the case before though as Tarver was the clear favourite to win.

After all of that include solid wins over Eastman, Echols, Lipsey and Johnson and you got a man with a great career.

plus bhop dominated his division, has floyd? bhop may have taken on smaller fighters then him but he took care of business unlike floyd. floyds division is filled with threats he aint have the balls to take care of.

Thats quite an oxymoron Rains.. The whole premise of this conversation was to draw an illustration of how Floyd is all of a sudden fighting nothing but smaller fighters. So what your implying is Floyd is doing nothing wrong as long as he keeps fighting smaller guys coming up in weight like Hopkins

Again its foolish to try and compare a severly lacking Middleweight division that BHop ruled than the golden Era of the 140's today.

Point being you cant rake on Floyd for fighting 2 guys back to back that were not Welters and than laud Hop for doing it. Sorry dosent add up, any way you spin it, undeniably Hops biggest wins were against guys that were naturally smaller than him.

I am not tainting Hop's career he deserves all of his due and accolades, I'm just making a comparison on how its a blatant double standard

so your going with the excuse that the welter is at a golden era so that gives floyd the reason not to try clear up the division? What I was saying is it wouldnt be a bad thing if floyd had cleared up 147, like what bhop did with the middleweight division. Fighting smaller fighters who come to him at 147 after clearing up his division or atleast have 1 or 2 fights in the direction of clearing it up would be all good. Not how his doing it now, showing no effort to clear up what you say is a golden era of the welters but declaring himself atg by picking on smaller fighters.

Would be interesting to see who floyd fights next.

Lesser fighter but bigger guys then JMM did better then JMM against floyd, but weight had nothing to do with the results still right?

[JT Rock]

plus bhop dominated his division, has floyd? bhop may have taken on smaller fighters then him but he took care of business unlike floyd. floyds division is filled with threats he aint have the balls to take care of.

Thats quite an oxymoron Rains.. The whole premise of this conversation was to draw an illustration of how Floyd is all of a sudden fighting nothing but smaller fighters. So what your implying is Floyd is doing nothing wrong as long as he keeps fighting smaller guys coming up in weight like Hopkins

Again its foolish to try and compare a severly lacking Middleweight division that BHop ruled than the golden Era of the 140's today.

Point being you cant rake on Floyd for fighting 2 guys back to back that were not Welters and than laud Hop for doing it. Sorry dosent add up, any way you spin it, undeniably Hops biggest wins were against guys that were naturally smaller than him.

I am not tainting Hop's career he deserves all of his due and accolades, I'm just making a comparison on how its a blatant double standard

so your going with the excuse that the welter is at a golden era so that gives floyd the reason not to try clear up the division? What I was saying is it wouldnt be a bad thing if floyd had cleared up 147, like what bhop did with the middleweight division. Fighting smaller fighters who come to him at 147 after clearing up his division or atleast have 1 or 2 fights in the direction of clearing it up would be all good. Not how his doing it now, showing no effort to clear up what you say is a golden era of the welters but declaring himself atg by picking on smaller fighters.

Would be interesting to see who floyd fights next.

Lesser fighter but bigger guys then JMM did better then JMM against floyd, but weight had nothing to do with the results still right?

I went on record as saying if 1-2 fights from now if Floyd is fighting Michael Katsidis and Humberto Soto, than yea he is an idiot and will lose my respect.Given the circumstances of his 2 megafights against DLH and Hatton, coupled with a comeback fight against JMM, give the guy a break already. Its clearly obvious that he is going to fight Mosely and if victorious then the winner of Pac vs Cotto. What more could you ask for?