Give the Klitschko's their just due

[littlebif]

The Klitschko's are good fighters ,i dont like Wlad think he is boring but it works so there aint no point in putting him self in danger.I like watching Vitali tho think he is more comitted in trying to get his man out of there.

[Gandalf]

The Klitschko's are good fighters ,i dont like Wlad think he is boring but it works so there aint no point in putting him self in danger.I like watching Vitali tho think he is more comitted in trying to get his man out of there.

Same thoughts here. Wlad bores me with his jab, paw, jab style. It's enough to make me slip into a coma. I actually quite enjoy watching Vitali fight.

[Dark Lord Al]

Everybody talks about fighters from the past , like foreman , frazier etc but i fail to see how Vitali couldn't have competed with these guys , not to mention he is a monster size wise.

I personally think we dismiss modern HW fighters all to easily , fact is if sprinters and pole vaulters , hammer throwers , weight lifters are all getting faster and stronger respectively. Then how are this new breed of HW worse than the fighters before ?

PS/ there will always be the odd special fighter , but in general , we think Ken Norton for example is better than a David Tua ?

[BIG H]

Everybody talks about fighters from the past , like foreman , frazier etc but i fail to see how Vitali couldn't have competed with these guys , not to mention he is a monster size wise.

I personally think we dismiss modern HW fighters all to easily , fact is if sprinters and pole vaulters , hammer throwers , weight lifters are all getting faster and stronger respectively. Then how are this new breed of HW worse than the fighters before ?

PS/ there will always be the odd special fighter , but in general , we think Ken Norton for example is better than a David Tua ?

Norton has a claim to having beaten the 2 greatest HWs of all time. Lots of 'ifs and buts', but he certainly beat Ali once , maybe even 3 times and some (not me) think he beat Holmes. Could Tua have don ethat?

[Dark Lord Al]

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Everybody talks about fighters from the past , like foreman , frazier etc but i fail to see how Vitali couldn't have competed with these guys , not to mention he is a monster size wise.

I personally think we dismiss modern HW fighters all to easily , fact is if sprinters and pole vaulters , hammer throwers , weight lifters are all getting faster and stronger respectively. Then how are this new breed of HW worse than the fighters before ?

PS/ there will always be the odd special fighter , but in general , we think Ken Norton for example is better than a David Tua ?

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Norton has a claim to having beaten the 2 greatest HWs of all time. Lots of 'ifs and buts', but he certainly beat Ali once , maybe even 3 times and some (not me) think he beat Holmes. Could Tua have don ethat?

The point im making is fighters at HW are getting to huge sizes and some are also great athletes , improving to being more than just a huge size.
Styles do make fights also , in my opinion Tua would have KOED the dodgy chinned Norton early , does that Make Tua better than Ali ?

PS. Both Norton and Tua were just examples from past and present.

[HattonTheHammer]

[quote=Dark Lord Al;791892]

Everybody talks about fighters from the past , like foreman , frazier etc but i fail to see how Vitali couldn't have competed with these guys , not to mention he is a monster size wise.

I personally think we dismiss modern HW fighters all to easily , fact is if sprinters and pole vaulters , hammer throwers , weight lifters are all getting faster and stronger respectively. Then how are this new breed of HW worse than the fighters before ?

PS/ there will always be the odd special fighter , but in general , we think Ken Norton for example is better than a David Tua ?

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Norton has a claim to having beaten the 2 greatest HWs of all time. Lots of 'ifs and buts', but he certainly beat Ali once , maybe even 3 times and some (not me) think he beat Holmes. Could Tua have don ethat?

The point im making is fighters at HW are getting to huge sizes and some are also great athletes , improving to being more than just a huge size.
Styles do make fights also , in my opinion Tua would have KOED the dodgy chinned Norton early , does that Make Tua better than Ali ?

PS. Both Norton and Tua were just examples from past and present.

Im sorry but how the hell does anyone seriously believe tua beats norton!!

I fully agree that in certain instances current fighters arent given the same credit as their predeccesors. But Tua beating the great norton??

never in a million years!!

[Beanflicker]

Im sorry but how the hell does anyone seriously believe tua beats norton!!

I fully agree that in certain instances current fighters arent given the same credit as their predeccesors. But Tua beating the great norton??

never in a million years!!

I think it comes down to Norton's track record. Sure he did great against boxers like Holmes and Ali, but it seemed like he got sparked out by all the KO artists he was put up against. Foreman and Shavers put him out with no trouble, and Cooney damn near killed him.

[Beanflicker]

Another double standard is that people bash them because of their safety first, jab-driven style, but seem to forget that the consensus #1 of all time, Muhammad Ali, employed a style just like that in his prime. Ali was a first rate track star.