Does anyone else think Jermain Taylor might just upset Abraham?

[rjj tszyu]

I've just read a poll on fightnews Fightnews Poll and looking at it not many people on there seem to give Taylor a chance. I on the other hand have got a gut feeling that he is going to produce an upset, last time he was this big an underdog was when he was ending Hopkins' 12 year unbeaten run, so he definitley has been in this boat before and I think he may well do it again and get his topsy turvy career back on track. I think Kessler ends up overall winner in the super six though.

Does anyone else think that Taylor takes Abraham or have i just lost my mind lol?

[HattonTheHammer]

Ive said it all along from day 1....

taylor will not just beat abraham he`ll stop him in his own backyard. Taylor has been writen off as a no hoper ever since this tournament started.

He`s losses have been to pavlik and froch far superior fighters to arthur abraham, He will enter the ring on the night 5-6pounds at the very least heavier, will have the reach advantage and experience over his opponent.

Taylor wins by late stoppage

[TigerFan]

As long as he doesn't gas late I think he'll beat Abraham.

Most likely on points.

[HattonTheHammer]

As long as he doesn't gas late I think he'll beat Abraham.

Most likely on points.

No way he`ll get a decision in germany against sauerlands headline act

Taylor will have to win at least 9 of the 12 rounds to even merit a draw. The judging in germany is the most byest around and dates right back to the days of sven ottke getting backhanded decisions every time he stepped in the ring with a superior opponent!!

[Nameless]

Ive said it all along from day 1....

taylor will not just beat abraham he`ll stop him in his own backyard. Taylor has been writen off as a no hoper ever since this tournament started.

He`s losses have been to pavlik and froch far superior fighters to arthur abraham, He will enter the ring on the night 5-6pounds at the very least heavier, will have the reach advantage and experience over his opponent.

Taylor wins by late stoppage

I totally disagree here; Froch ain'T superior to Taylor, not at all; Taylor was toying him till he ran out of gas (again), same for the first bout with Pavlik, he was just beating him slowly with more speed and accuracy but he ran out of gaz. Abraham has a killer conditioning, has strength in the same range as Pavlik and a VERY durable chin, honestly, I don't give much chances to Taylor into that one, would he re-fight Froch with a better conditioning, he would probably beat him, idem for Pavlik, but Abraham, one of the very best in the division, I dare to say no.

[BIG H]

As long as he doesn't gas late I think he'll beat Abraham.

Most likely on points.

No way he`ll get a decision in germany against sauerlands headline act

Taylor will have to win at least 9 of the 12 rounds to even merit a draw. The judging in germany is the most byest around and dates right back to the days of sven ottke getting backhanded decisions every time he stepped in the ring with a superior opponent!!

Yep, Taylor is gonna have to knock him out to get a Draw

I think Abraham will win on points and probably deservingly

[HattonTheHammer]

Ive said it all along from day 1....

taylor will not just beat abraham he`ll stop him in his own backyard. Taylor has been writen off as a no hoper ever since this tournament started.

He`s losses have been to pavlik and froch far superior fighters to arthur abraham, He will enter the ring on the night 5-6pounds at the very least heavier, will have the reach advantage and experience over his opponent.

Taylor wins by late stoppage

I totally disagree here; Froch ain'T superior to Taylor, not at all; Taylor was toying him till he ran out of gas (again), same for the first bout with Pavlik, he was just beating him slowly with more speed and accuracy but he ran out of gaz. Abraham has a killer conditioning, has strength in the same range as Pavlik and a VERY durable chin, honestly, I don't give much chances to Taylor into that one, would he re-fight Froch with a better conditioning, he would probably beat him, idem for Pavlik, but Abraham, one of the very best in the division, I dare to say no.

If you had the fight live on showtime and just listened to the commentary alone you would of believed taylor destroyed froch

thankfully we all know better and knew that the fight was pretty even going into that last round. Froch just didnt turn up for the 1st half of the fight but it was clear for all to see that once he established himself he was the dominant fighter and the only guy likely to KO his man.

kessler and froch are the standout talents in this comp and i fully expect it to be the 2 battling it out at the end for the title

[blegit]

Looking at all possibilities for Taylor I can not see him beating King Arthur. No way. Wrong matchup. The guy is granite chinned, ridiculous conditioning, and presses like a bull. As much as I hate to say it I very much doubt Taylor will have the conditioning to hold up to a King Arthur pressure fight. I will be going for Taylor but King Arthur is the real deal and I can't see Taylor changing into a pure boxer by this fight.

[TheMacMagician]

Looking at all possibilities for Taylor I can not see him beating King Arthur. No way. Wrong matchup. The guy is granite chinned, ridiculous conditioning, and presses like a bull. As much as I hate to say it I very much doubt Taylor will have the conditioning to hold up to a King Arthur pressure fight. I will be going for Taylor but King Arthur is the real deal and I can't see Taylor changing into a pure boxer by this fight.

Don't see it...

I'm lookin forward to this fight. The way I see this is that is that Abraham fights in spurts. If Abraham really was an impressive pressure fighter not giving his opponent time to breath I would say that Taylor would get stopped inside 9 rounds maybe less. AA's tendency to fight in spurts really gives Taylor a chance to school Abraham in my opinion.

I say Taylor really is too fast, too slick and as we saw against Froch's granite chin, he punches hard, so this being said, if Taylor can have better footwork than against Froch, I think that unless Abraham ups his workrate to somethin I haven't seen from him before, wearing Taylor out and stopping him, I see this as a wide UD for Taylor, which in Germany, well, we all know what that can mean in Germany.

I'm really not sold on Abraham just yet. If someone can tell me who he has fought or show me a really impressive win, aside from a Miranda who was completely schooled by Andre Ward maybe i'll rethink things. Hell, if Lajuan Simon can take Abraham the distance and, although he got beat, land some good shots of his own then he's in for a long night against Taylor .

[gudnite vienna]

im going taylor in this one, going to be putting a wager on it as well.

[Nameless]

Ive said it all along from day 1....

taylor will not just beat abraham he`ll stop him in his own backyard. Taylor has been writen off as a no hoper ever since this tournament started.

He`s losses have been to pavlik and froch far superior fighters to arthur abraham, He will enter the ring on the night 5-6pounds at the very least heavier, will have the reach advantage and experience over his opponent.

Taylor wins by late stoppage

I totally disagree here; Froch ain'T superior to Taylor, not at all; Taylor was toying him till he ran out of gas (again), same for the first bout with Pavlik, he was just beating him slowly with more speed and accuracy but he ran out of gaz. Abraham has a killer conditioning, has strength in the same range as Pavlik and a VERY durable chin, honestly, I don't give much chances to Taylor into that one, would he re-fight Froch with a better conditioning, he would probably beat him, idem for Pavlik, but Abraham, one of the very best in the division, I dare to say no.

If you had the fight live on showtime and just listened to the commentary alone you would of believed taylor destroyed froch

thankfully we all know better and knew that the fight was pretty even going into that last round. Froch just didnt turn up for the 1st half of the fight but it was clear for all to see that once he established himself he was the dominant fighter and the only guy likely to KO his man.

kessler and froch are the standout talents in this comp and i fully expect it to be the 2 battling it out at the end for the title

Taylor was leading on all cards, Froch went down... how can you say that you saw Froch ahead? I saw the match with east european language (I would say polish or Tchek but I am not certain) so I didn'T had Showtime to convince me and I clearly saw Taylor having the better for most part of the fight and convincingly and not being especially a fan of neither, I can't be biased based on that

[Rantcatrat]

Ive said it all along from day 1....

taylor will not just beat abraham he`ll stop him in his own backyard. Taylor has been writen off as a no hoper ever since this tournament started.

He`s losses have been to pavlik and froch far superior fighters to arthur abraham, He will enter the ring on the night 5-6pounds at the very least heavier, will have the reach advantage and experience over his opponent.

Taylor wins by late stoppage

I totally disagree here; Froch ain'T superior to Taylor, not at all; Taylor was toying him till he ran out of gas (again), same for the first bout with Pavlik, he was just beating him slowly with more speed and accuracy but he ran out of gaz. Abraham has a killer conditioning, has strength in the same range as Pavlik and a VERY durable chin, honestly, I don't give much chances to Taylor into that one, would he re-fight Froch with a better conditioning, he would probably beat him, idem for Pavlik, but Abraham, one of the very best in the division, I dare to say no.

Pavlik beat Taylor twice. There is no score to settle; there is no maybe next time. End of story. And Taylor lost four of the 7 rounds to Pavlik in the first fight and if you are running out of gas in the first half of a fight, you don't belong boxing on the elite level. No, it wasn't that he ran out of gas, it was that he was beat by a better boxer. Don't take credit away from Kelly for that win. The second fight was more of the same, but in that fight Taylor fought until the ending bell and still lost. In the second fight, it was Pavlik's right that put the fright in Taylor. In terms of Froch, there are two ways to look at his Taylor fight. The first view is kinder on him: he travelled across the pond to fight Taylor in the biggest fight of his career. The crowd was heavily on Taylor's side and the stadium was packed. It is normal that Froch would take a few rounds to get in his groove. I was at the fight and we could sense that the tide began to turn at around round 7. Championship rounds are called championship rounds for a reason - that's when champions are made. The other way to look at Froch's victory over Taylor is that he was outclassed and Taylor just ran out of gas. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Froch proves he is among the best at 168 if he beats Dirrell because beating Pascal, Taylor, and Dirrell back-to-back-to-back, is no fluke.

Anyway, the post was about Taylor's chances against Abraham. My problem with this is not that the fight is in Germany because Jermain Taylor is pretty well-known and liked in Germany; Abraham shouldn't have too much of a bias. I'm sure Abraham would get the nod in a close fight, but he should get the nod in a close fight. Taylor can outbox Abraham for the first four or five rounds, but I question what happens when Abraham connects. Taylor can win if he can stay away from AA's big punches; I, however, don't see that happening and this will be another instance of Abraham beating a previous victim of Pavlik. My main criticism of Abraham is that his biggest victory is over Khoren Ghevor. You can't really claim to be the best if your biggest victory is over Ghevor. Ghevor is very good. Don't get me wrong, but you get my point. It's a shame Sturm wouldn't fight Abraham. That would have settled a lot at middleweight.

[HattonTheHammer]

I totally disagree here; Froch ain'T superior to Taylor, not at all; Taylor was toying him till he ran out of gas (again), same for the first bout with Pavlik, he was just beating him slowly with more speed and accuracy but he ran out of gaz. Abraham has a killer conditioning, has strength in the same range as Pavlik and a VERY durable chin, honestly, I don't give much chances to Taylor into that one, would he re-fight Froch with a better conditioning, he would probably beat him, idem for Pavlik, but Abraham, one of the very best in the division, I dare to say no.

If you had the fight live on showtime and just listened to the commentary alone you would of believed taylor destroyed froch

thankfully we all know better and knew that the fight was pretty even going into that last round. Froch just didnt turn up for the 1st half of the fight but it was clear for all to see that once he established himself he was the dominant fighter and the only guy likely to KO his man.

kessler and froch are the standout talents in this comp and i fully expect it to be the 2 battling it out at the end for the title

Taylor was leading on all cards, Froch went down... how can you say that you saw Froch ahead? I saw the match with east european language (I would say polish or Tchek but I am not certain) so I didn'T had Showtime to convince me and I clearly saw Taylor having the better for most part of the fight and convincingly and not being especially a fan of neither, I can't be biased based on that

i had it dead even going into the last round as did most people ive spoke to who have seen the fight both in real time and a day later on itv when it was actually broadcast here.

Americans seem to go on who is the more dominant fighter while us europeans tend to go on who`s landing the better shots. As said taylor won the 1st 6 rounds and was at least 3points up going into the 7th but even without the stoppage i would of had it 114-112 for froch

[killersheep]

This will be the lowest punch output fight of the tournament which works in JT's favor, his great jab even if bouncing off Abraham's high guard will look good to the judges eyes. I do think Abraham will catch him late and stop him though, Taylor almost always crumbles in the last few rounds. There is always the chance he hangs in, if he sticks with his jab and spin moves I give him a good shot at the upset, as soon as he decides to trade it's all gonna turn against him though.

[skel1983]

Abraham has a rock solid chin, I think he beats Taylor, lets be honest do you really think Taylor would of entered this event say just after he did the double over Hopkins?? Last chance saloon for Taylor and he will be getting three very nice pay days.


Abraham points or late tko.