Does anyone else think Jermain Taylor might just upset Abraham?

[Nameless]

Ive said it all along from day 1....

taylor will not just beat abraham he`ll stop him in his own backyard. Taylor has been writen off as a no hoper ever since this tournament started.

He`s losses have been to pavlik and froch far superior fighters to arthur abraham, He will enter the ring on the night 5-6pounds at the very least heavier, will have the reach advantage and experience over his opponent.

Taylor wins by late stoppage

I totally disagree here; Froch ain'T superior to Taylor, not at all; Taylor was toying him till he ran out of gas (again), same for the first bout with Pavlik, he was just beating him slowly with more speed and accuracy but he ran out of gaz. Abraham has a killer conditioning, has strength in the same range as Pavlik and a VERY durable chin, honestly, I don't give much chances to Taylor into that one, would he re-fight Froch with a better conditioning, he would probably beat him, idem for Pavlik, but Abraham, one of the very best in the division, I dare to say no.

If you had the fight live on showtime and just listened to the commentary alone you would of believed taylor destroyed froch

thankfully we all know better and knew that the fight was pretty even going into that last round. Froch just didnt turn up for the 1st half of the fight but it was clear for all to see that once he established himself he was the dominant fighter and the only guy likely to KO his man.

kessler and froch are the standout talents in this comp and i fully expect it to be the 2 battling it out at the end for the title

Taylor was leading on all cards, Froch went down... how can you say that you saw Froch ahead? I saw the match with east european language (I would say polish or Tchek but I am not certain) so I didn'T had Showtime to convince me and I clearly saw Taylor having the better for most part of the fight and convincingly and not being especially a fan of neither, I can't be biased based on that

[HattonTheHammer]

I totally disagree here; Froch ain'T superior to Taylor, not at all; Taylor was toying him till he ran out of gas (again), same for the first bout with Pavlik, he was just beating him slowly with more speed and accuracy but he ran out of gaz. Abraham has a killer conditioning, has strength in the same range as Pavlik and a VERY durable chin, honestly, I don't give much chances to Taylor into that one, would he re-fight Froch with a better conditioning, he would probably beat him, idem for Pavlik, but Abraham, one of the very best in the division, I dare to say no.

If you had the fight live on showtime and just listened to the commentary alone you would of believed taylor destroyed froch

thankfully we all know better and knew that the fight was pretty even going into that last round. Froch just didnt turn up for the 1st half of the fight but it was clear for all to see that once he established himself he was the dominant fighter and the only guy likely to KO his man.

kessler and froch are the standout talents in this comp and i fully expect it to be the 2 battling it out at the end for the title

Taylor was leading on all cards, Froch went down... how can you say that you saw Froch ahead? I saw the match with east european language (I would say polish or Tchek but I am not certain) so I didn'T had Showtime to convince me and I clearly saw Taylor having the better for most part of the fight and convincingly and not being especially a fan of neither, I can't be biased based on that

i had it dead even going into the last round as did most people ive spoke to who have seen the fight both in real time and a day later on itv when it was actually broadcast here.

Americans seem to go on who is the more dominant fighter while us europeans tend to go on who`s landing the better shots. As said taylor won the 1st 6 rounds and was at least 3points up going into the 7th but even without the stoppage i would of had it 114-112 for froch

[killersheep]

This will be the lowest punch output fight of the tournament which works in JT's favor, his great jab even if bouncing off Abraham's high guard will look good to the judges eyes. I do think Abraham will catch him late and stop him though, Taylor almost always crumbles in the last few rounds. There is always the chance he hangs in, if he sticks with his jab and spin moves I give him a good shot at the upset, as soon as he decides to trade it's all gonna turn against him though.

[skel1983]

Abraham has a rock solid chin, I think he beats Taylor, lets be honest do you really think Taylor would of entered this event say just after he did the double over Hopkins?? Last chance saloon for Taylor and he will be getting three very nice pay days.


Abraham points or late tko.

[Violent Demise]

Taylor is not only beating Abraham. He winning the whole fukking tournament.

[BoomBoom]

I think Taylor Decisively beats him. He has the right style, he just needs to stay focused later on in the fight, but I think he will his time.

[BoomBoom]

Also, if you put Abraham in with all the guys Jermaine fought, he would have more than a few loses himself. Even though Abrahams undefeated, I think Taylor has the more impressive resume by far.

[Taeth]

Who does anyone have Abraham winning this?

[amat]

Who does anyone have Abraham winning this?

Most have Abraham and Kessler as the class of this tournament. I don't but that's what most polls and things indicate.

[Nameless]

Who does anyone have Abraham winning this?

Because in my opinion (I can't talk as why do the others think so), Taylor just doesn't have the stamina and the jaw to sustain Abraham in his face for 12 full rounds, plus Uli Wegner is one of the very best trainer in the business, same thing can't definitely be said of Ozell Nelson

[The Fightfan]

This is why I love this tournament idea. Yes I absolutely think Taylor can beat Abraham same as every other fighter. My belief is Taylor wastes too much too early I think if he disciplines himself he could beat perhaps stop Abraham. You do have to remember this is a lighter Abraham moving up against a solid super middleweight in Taylor. If Taylor fight's the same type of fight as the Lacy fight he will give Abraham everything he can handle. Meaning not going balls to the wall early and dyeing out late. If you watch that Lacy fight he fought a perfect fight. He didn't try to bomb Lacy out he took his time and hit him with hard counters over and over.

[Kev]

This is why I love this tournament idea. Yes I absolutely think Taylor can beat Abraham same as every other fighter. My belief is Taylor wastes too much too early I think if he disciplines himself he could beat perhaps stop Abraham. You do have to remember this is a lighter Abraham moving up against a solid super middleweight in Taylor. If Taylor fight's the same type of fight as the Lacy fight he will give Abraham everything he can handle. Meaning not going balls to the wall early and dyeing out late. If you watch that Lacy fight he fought a perfect fight. He didn't try to bomb Lacy out he took his time and hit him with hard counters over and over.

I think Taylor has a great chance of winning but I'm not sure he has much of a size advantage if any.

Taylor has only ever twice fought at supermiddleweight in his career, once against career middleweight and shot fight Jeff Lacy, and once against Carl Froch, in which he got knocked out.

Against Froch he only came in at 166, he's not really big at this weight.

A quick look at boxrec shows Abraham started his career fighting around 164-166 lbs so I'm sure he's not the smaller man here.

[killersheep]

This is why I love this tournament idea. Yes I absolutely think Taylor can beat Abraham same as every other fighter. My belief is Taylor wastes too much too early I think if he disciplines himself he could beat perhaps stop Abraham. You do have to remember this is a lighter Abraham moving up against a solid super middleweight in Taylor. If Taylor fight's the same type of fight as the Lacy fight he will give Abraham everything he can handle. Meaning not going balls to the wall early and dyeing out late. If you watch that Lacy fight he fought a perfect fight. He didn't try to bomb Lacy out he took his time and hit him with hard counters over and over.

I think Taylor has a great chance of winning but I'm not sure he has much of a size advantage if any.

Taylor has only ever twice fought at supermiddleweight in his career, once against career middleweight and shot fight Jeff Lacy, and once against Carl Froch, in which he got knocked out.

Against Froch he only came in at 166, he's not really big at this weight.

A quick look at boxrec shows Abraham started his career fighting around 164-166 lbs so I'm sure he's not the smaller man here.

To my knowledge Lacy has never fought at Middleweight, remember the whole sheika, Reid, Calzaghe thing those were all Super Middleweight fights.

The point about Taylor is a good one though, he is not a big guy for 168, he was doing pretty well Against Froch until he followed the JT Standard Operating Procedure Manual section 1.1.5 - "How to lose a fight at the latest moment possible"

[skel1983]

I totally disagree here; Froch ain'T superior to Taylor, not at all; Taylor was toying him till he ran out of gas (again), same for the first bout with Pavlik, he was just beating him slowly with more speed and accuracy but he ran out of gaz. Abraham has a killer conditioning, has strength in the same range as Pavlik and a VERY durable chin, honestly, I don't give much chances to Taylor into that one, would he re-fight Froch with a better conditioning, he would probably beat him, idem for Pavlik, but Abraham, one of the very best in the division, I dare to say no.

If you had the fight live on showtime and just listened to the commentary alone you would of believed taylor destroyed froch

thankfully we all know better and knew that the fight was pretty even going into that last round. Froch just didnt turn up for the 1st half of the fight but it was clear for all to see that once he established himself he was the dominant fighter and the only guy likely to KO his man.

kessler and froch are the standout talents in this comp and i fully expect it to be the 2 battling it out at the end for the title

Taylor was leading on all cards, Froch went down... how can you say that you saw Froch ahead? I saw the match with east european language (I would say polish or Tchek but I am not certain) so I didn'T had Showtime to convince me and I clearly saw Taylor having the better for most part of the fight and convincingly and not being especially a fan of neither, I can't be biased based on that

Sorry mate but Taylor wasnt leading on all cards these were the cards going into the last:

judge: Nobuaki Uratani 102-106 | judge: Omar Mintun 102-106 | judge: Jack Woodburn 106-102

So judge Woodburn has Froch winning 106102, if the fight finished I had it a draw with a 10-8 round for Froch, or if Froch had Taylor down again if it didnt stop I had it Froch winning by a point, the fight was very close.

[JazMerkin]

If you had the fight live on showtime and just listened to the commentary alone you would of believed taylor destroyed froch

thankfully we all know better and knew that the fight was pretty even going into that last round. Froch just didnt turn up for the 1st half of the fight but it was clear for all to see that once he established himself he was the dominant fighter and the only guy likely to KO his man.

kessler and froch are the standout talents in this comp and i fully expect it to be the 2 battling it out at the end for the title

Taylor was leading on all cards, Froch went down... how can you say that you saw Froch ahead? I saw the match with east european language (I would say polish or Tchek but I am not certain) so I didn'T had Showtime to convince me and I clearly saw Taylor having the better for most part of the fight and convincingly and not being especially a fan of neither, I can't be biased based on that

Sorry mate but Taylor wasnt leading on all cards these were the cards going into the last:

judge: Nobuaki Uratani 102-106 | judge: Omar Mintun 102-106 | judge: Jack Woodburn 106-102

So judge Woodburn has Froch winning 106102, if the fight finished I had it a draw with a 10-8 round for Froch, or if Froch had Taylor down again if it didnt stop I had it Froch winning by a point, the fight was very close.

The thing is Woodburn's card was used as example in virtually every boxing publication of what bad scoring. Even Boxing Monthly which loves Froch up admitted it was an aberration. I had Taylor up 8 rounds to 3 going into the final round. If he'd taken a knee after the 1st KD, he'd still have won for me & more importantly 2 of the judges. Froch did start to come into it late.

The point I think Nameless was making is HTH's point that Abraham isn't on Froch's level is kinda laughable, as is saying that Froch was easily winning the fight. Abraham is as good as Froch if not better. Although this tournament will give us our answer.

I, however, don't see that happening and this will be another instance of Abraham beating a previous victim of Pavlik.

The only common opponent they currently share is Edison Miranda. Abraham beat him first.