Juan (the blubbery seal) Diaz avoiding Malignaggi rematch

**Spicoli** · 10-01-2009 02:01 PM

Close fight and no robbery at all.118-110 was the only problem I believe.Two totally contrasting styles...pick your poison.One thing though is what is up with all of the ranting MMa ish interviews lately?Have some cooth.Paulie had a point but I'd rather listen to fingers running across a chalkboard.

**markb018** · 10-01-2009 03:54 PM

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Schaefer responds to Paulie and Lou.

If Juan Diaz feels he won the fight then he doesn't need to rematch, but Juan's mom knew who won the fight that night.

For people to not give Paulie that fight because he didn't land the harder shots I feel is ridiculous. Paulie made that fight his fight with ring generalship and completely outboxed Diaz. The fans made it seem like Juan was landing far more than he did. If people are basing it off harder shots which Diaz did throw no matter how few and far between they were, Paulie would have no victories, he just isn't a powerful puncher.

**JazMerkin** · 10-01-2009 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by markb018

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Schaefer responds to Paulie and Lou.

If Juan Diaz feels he won the fight then he doesn't need to rematch, but Juan's mom knew who won the fight that night.

For people to not give Paulie that fight because he didn't land the harder shots I feel is ridiculous. Paulie made that fight his fight with ring generalship and completely outboxed Diaz. The fans made it seem like Juan was landing far more than he did. If people are basing it off harder shots which Diaz did throw no matter how few and far between they were, Paulie would have no victories, he just isn't a powerful puncher.

I think their reply is very reasonable considering Paulie's outburst. I had it 115-113 Malignaggi, but I truthfully couldn't argue with someone who had it for Diaz 115-113 or 116-112, as there were A LOT of close rounds, & I scored more of these to Malignaggi because stylistically I thought he was doing better, but it was a close fight. NO WAY was that a robbery.

**markb018** · 10-01-2009 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by JazMerkin

Originally Posted by markb018

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Schaefer responds to Paulie and Lou.

If Juan Diaz feels he won the fight then he doesn't need to rematch, but Juan's mom knew who won the fight that night.

For people to not give Paulie that fight because he didn't land the harder shots I feel is ridiculous. Paulie made that fight his fight with ring generalship and completely outboxed Diaz. The fans made it seem like Juan was landing far more than he did. If people are basing it off harder shots which Diaz did throw no matter how few and far between they were, Paulie would have no victories, he just isn't a powerful puncher.

I think their reply is very reasonable considering Paulie's outburst. I had it 115-113 Malignaggi, but I truthfully couldn't argue with someone who had it for Diaz 115-113 or 116-112, as there were A LOT of close rounds, & I scored more of these to Malignaggi because stylistically I thought he was doing better, but it was a close fight. NO WAY was that a robbery.

I wouldn't say it was a robbery completely but when your not getting a fair shake from the moment you step foot in the ring in this case before whats the point of fighting? Schaefer has to be reasonable during all this cause there is an ugly cloud surrounding all this.

**OumaFan** · 10-01-2009 04:07 PM

Its not even about whether Paulie landed harder shots to me, he just didn't land all that much in general.

LOL at going to fight in New York for equal money or close to that. Paulie should just move on, this loss has helped him immensely, that and he should demand Max commentates all his fights, its Lampley/Oscarish man love.

**markb018** · 10-01-2009 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by OumaFan

Its not even about whether Paulie landed harder shots to me, he just didn't land all that much in general.

Sorry my man, I completely disagree with you there. Paulie totally outclassed Juan imo. Guess I will have to rewatch this at some point tonight, watched a few times but to say Paulie wasn't landing anything?

**OumaFan** · 10-01-2009 04:12 PM

Outclassed?

Then you must think it was a robbery no? If he outclassed him.

He landed a lot on arms and gloves. His best work was done keeping Diaz at a distance, he didn't land all that much really. Neither did Juan but I thought he was more effective overall. I don't care if people scored it for Paulie, it was a case of what do you favor, but "robbery" and "totally outclassed" is la la land IMO.

**Spicoli** · 10-01-2009 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by OumaFan

Its not even about whether Paulie landed harder shots to me, he just didn't land all that much in general.

LOL at going to fight in New York for equal money or close to that. Paulie should just move on, this loss has helped him immensely, that and he should demand Max commentates all his fights, its Lampley/Oscarish man love.

Had not even realized the punch stats until the other night.I take them with a grain of salt but Diaz was credited with more power shots and total punches landed,and from what I remember was the one who wobbled Paulie.

**OumaFan** · 10-01-2009 04:18 PM

Malignaggi threw a lot of jabs that landed on Diaz' gloves, meh I just can't get too worked up about that. The fight was reasonably close because of Paulie's defense, not his offense.

At least more people agree with me on Diaz winning this fight than they do with Shane Mosley beating ODLH in the second fight. I'm kind of on an island there

But in a way I think the fights had some similarities, maybe not that many but some. One guy gets slobbered on by the HBO crew every time he does anything even though most of the time he's not really landing and while the other guy doesn't land that much either he landed the cleaner more effective punches. Although Mosley hurt ODLH more than Diaz hurt Malignaggi.

**OumaFan** · 10-01-2009 04:19 PM

Cotto/Clottey was far more controversial IMO.

**JazMerkin** · 10-01-2009 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by OumaFan

Malignaggi threw a lot of jabs that landed on Diaz' gloves, meh I just can't get too worked up about that. The fight was reasonably close because of Paulie's defense, not his offense.

At least more people agree with me on Diaz winning this fight than they do with Shane Mosley beating ODLH in the second fight. I'm kind of on an island there

But in a way I think the fights had some similarities, maybe not that many but some. One guy gets slobbered on by the HBO crew every time he does anything even though most of the time he's not really landing and while the other guy doesn't land that much either he landed the cleaner more effective punches. Although Mosley hurt ODLH more than Diaz hurt Malignaggi.

I also thought Mosley beat Oscar in the 2nd fight after I watched without Lampley & Merchant slobbering all over Oscar's balls, not that they have ever influenced a viewing audience with their comms (see Oscar-Mayweather, Oscar-Hopkins, in fact most fights he's had)