Juan (the blubbery seal) Diaz avoiding Malignaggi rematch

[Gandalf]

I can't help but wonder how would Diaz fare against Hatton.

Many people were criticizing Pac for fighting David Diaz instead of Juan and now that Juan was exposed, I can't help but also wonder what would have happened had he (Juan) fought against Pac.


edit: Hello there miles. Long time no talk.

Now then Bruce. You are obviously missing me...

I wouldn't mind seeing Hatton/Diaz either. I just can't see Hatton coming back now though. It will have been a year since Pac before he is in any way ready to get near the ring again and I can't see that being good for someone who sups and eats like Hatton.

I would have much preferred Pac to fight Juan rather than David Diaz too. Would have been exciting while it lasted, whereas David Diaz was just a totally one sided beat down.

I miss the gay talk from you. LOL.

I do indeed talk the language of fragrant daffodils and quaint little daisies.

[Spicoli]

Close fight and no robbery at all.118-110 was the only problem I believe.Two totally contrasting styles...pick your poison.One thing though is what is up with all of the ranting MMa ish interviews lately?Have some cooth.Paulie had a point but I'd rather listen to fingers running across a chalkboard.

[markb018]

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Schaefer responds to Paulie and Lou.

If Juan Diaz feels he won the fight then he doesn't need to rematch, but Juan's mom knew who won the fight that night.

For people to not give Paulie that fight because he didn't land the harder shots I feel is ridiculous. Paulie made that fight his fight with ring generalship and completely outboxed Diaz. The fans made it seem like Juan was landing far more than he did. If people are basing it off harder shots which Diaz did throw no matter how few and far between they were, Paulie would have no victories, he just isn't a powerful puncher.

[JazMerkin]

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Schaefer responds to Paulie and Lou.

If Juan Diaz feels he won the fight then he doesn't need to rematch, but Juan's mom knew who won the fight that night.

For people to not give Paulie that fight because he didn't land the harder shots I feel is ridiculous. Paulie made that fight his fight with ring generalship and completely outboxed Diaz. The fans made it seem like Juan was landing far more than he did. If people are basing it off harder shots which Diaz did throw no matter how few and far between they were, Paulie would have no victories, he just isn't a powerful puncher.

I think their reply is very reasonable considering Paulie's outburst. I had it 115-113 Malignaggi, but I truthfully couldn't argue with someone who had it for Diaz 115-113 or 116-112, as there were A LOT of close rounds, & I scored more of these to Malignaggi because stylistically I thought he was doing better, but it was a close fight. NO WAY was that a robbery.

[markb018]

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Schaefer responds to Paulie and Lou.

If Juan Diaz feels he won the fight then he doesn't need to rematch, but Juan's mom knew who won the fight that night.

For people to not give Paulie that fight because he didn't land the harder shots I feel is ridiculous. Paulie made that fight his fight with ring generalship and completely outboxed Diaz. The fans made it seem like Juan was landing far more than he did. If people are basing it off harder shots which Diaz did throw no matter how few and far between they were, Paulie would have no victories, he just isn't a powerful puncher.

I think their reply is very reasonable considering Paulie's outburst. I had it 115-113 Malignaggi, but I truthfully couldn't argue with someone who had it for Diaz 115-113 or 116-112, as there were A LOT of close rounds, & I scored more of these to Malignaggi because stylistically I thought he was doing better, but it was a close fight. NO WAY was that a robbery.

I wouldn't say it was a robbery completely but when your not getting a fair shake from the moment you step foot in the ring in this case before whats the point of fighting? Schaefer has to be reasonable during all this cause there is an ugly cloud surrounding all this.

[OumaFan]

Its not even about whether Paulie landed harder shots to me, he just didn't land all that much in general.

LOL at going to fight in New York for equal money or close to that. Paulie should just move on, this loss has helped him immensely, that and he should demand Max commentates all his fights, its Lampley/Oscarish man love.

[markb018]

Its not even about whether Paulie landed harder shots to me, he just didn't land all that much in general.

Sorry my man, I completely disagree with you there. Paulie totally outclassed Juan imo. Guess I will have to rewatch this at some point tonight, watched a few times but to say Paulie wasn't landing anything?

[OumaFan]

Outclassed?

Then you must think it was a robbery no? If he outclassed him.

He landed a lot on arms and gloves. His best work was done keeping Diaz at a distance, he didn't land all that much really. Neither did Juan but I thought he was more effective overall. I don't care if people scored it for Paulie, it was a case of what do you favor, but "robbery" and "totally outclassed" is la la land IMO.

[Spicoli]

Its not even about whether Paulie landed harder shots to me, he just didn't land all that much in general.

LOL at going to fight in New York for equal money or close to that. Paulie should just move on, this loss has helped him immensely, that and he should demand Max commentates all his fights, its Lampley/Oscarish man love.

Had not even realized the punch stats until the other night.I take them with a grain of salt but Diaz was credited with more power shots and total punches landed,and from what I remember was the one who wobbled Paulie.

[OumaFan]

Malignaggi threw a lot of jabs that landed on Diaz' gloves, meh I just can't get too worked up about that. The fight was reasonably close because of Paulie's defense, not his offense.

At least more people agree with me on Diaz winning this fight than they do with Shane Mosley beating ODLH in the second fight. I'm kind of on an island there But in a way I think the fights had some similarities, maybe not that many but some. One guy gets slobbered on by the HBO crew every time he does anything even though most of the time he's not really landing and while the other guy doesn't land that much either he landed the cleaner more effective punches. Although Mosley hurt ODLH more than Diaz hurt Malignaggi.

[OumaFan]

Cotto/Clottey was far more controversial IMO.

[JazMerkin]

Malignaggi threw a lot of jabs that landed on Diaz' gloves, meh I just can't get too worked up about that. The fight was reasonably close because of Paulie's defense, not his offense.

At least more people agree with me on Diaz winning this fight than they do with Shane Mosley beating ODLH in the second fight. I'm kind of on an island there But in a way I think the fights had some similarities, maybe not that many but some. One guy gets slobbered on by the HBO crew every time he does anything even though most of the time he's not really landing and while the other guy doesn't land that much either he landed the cleaner more effective punches. Although Mosley hurt ODLH more than Diaz hurt Malignaggi.

I also thought Mosley beat Oscar in the 2nd fight after I watched without Lampley & Merchant slobbering all over Oscar's balls, not that they have ever influenced a viewing audience with their comms (see Oscar-Mayweather, Oscar-Hopkins, in fact most fights he's had)

I think people get affected way more by commentary than they're willing to admit.

[Kev]

That doesn't make it a robbery.

You can argue semantics all you like. I think it was a robbery.

A close fight that could have gone either way by it's very definition is not a robbery. It has nothing to do with arguing semantics.

I thought it was a competitive fight, but with competent judging I can't really see how it could have gone either way.

Paullie won that fight for sure, he simply won more rounds. It's only the appalling standards of boxing judging generally that allows for conjecture and subjective opinion when the fight is not a landslide win for one guy.

I'm very suprised that anyone totalling up the rounds and scoring professionally could give that fight to Juan, who I thought was pretty badly exposed in that fight, against a non puncher who fought at a catchweight for him and came in dehydrated.

Diaz is finished as a top level fighter, but hopefully Paullie will get another shot at a big name in the future.

[OumaFan]

Malignaggi threw a lot of jabs that landed on Diaz' gloves, meh I just can't get too worked up about that. The fight was reasonably close because of Paulie's defense, not his offense.

At least more people agree with me on Diaz winning this fight than they do with Shane Mosley beating ODLH in the second fight. I'm kind of on an island there But in a way I think the fights had some similarities, maybe not that many but some. One guy gets slobbered on by the HBO crew every time he does anything even though most of the time he's not really landing and while the other guy doesn't land that much either he landed the cleaner more effective punches. Although Mosley hurt ODLH more than Diaz hurt Malignaggi.

I also thought Mosley beat Oscar in the 2nd fight after I watched without Lampley & Merchant slobbering all over Oscar's balls, not that they have ever influenced a viewing audience with their comms (see Oscar-Mayweather, Oscar-Hopkins, in fact most fights he's had)

I think people get affected way more by commentary than they're willing to admit.

Yes neither of those were very close. I thought Quartey/Forrest was a bit commentary inspired also, I didn't think it was the absolute tragedy of justice most people thought it was.

I just can't grasp why so many would be so outraged about a guy not getting a decision when he just didn't even land many clean punches, forget effective since Paulie just can't punch, I'm just talking clean ones. So that's why I tend to think all the outrage was a bit commentary inspired.

Take Cotto/Clottey for example. I originally scored it for Cotto but changed it to Clottey after watching it again. Still it was close enough and a Cotto win is OK IMO. But Clottey beat Cotto's ass at times, didn't just use good ring generalship, beat him up, and rounds that were given to Cotto, outside of what the 6th where he wailed on him and the first where he dropped him, were given mainly cause Clottey did less than normal, or less than we thought he should, although even there you can make a good case he was still doing more than Cotto. Yet there there's really not much controversy. Why?

Assuming Lampley was rooting for Clottey, not Cotto like he was, wouldn't it be fair to assume that there would be a bit more controversy? Maybe not, I don't know. It may have influenced me, since I scored it for Cotto originally. Granted my abhorrence of Clottey and his complete lack of ambition may have skewed me too. I still think he could have easily won that fight.

[Spicoli]

Malignaggi threw a lot of jabs that landed on Diaz' gloves, meh I just can't get too worked up about that. The fight was reasonably close because of Paulie's defense, not his offense.

At least more people agree with me on Diaz winning this fight than they do with Shane Mosley beating ODLH in the second fight. I'm kind of on an island there But in a way I think the fights had some similarities, maybe not that many but some. One guy gets slobbered on by the HBO crew every time he does anything even though most of the time he's not really landing and while the other guy doesn't land that much either he landed the cleaner more effective punches. Although Mosley hurt ODLH more than Diaz hurt Malignaggi.

I also thought Mosley beat Oscar in the 2nd fight after I watched without Lampley & Merchant slobbering all over Oscar's balls, not that they have ever influenced a viewing audience with their comms (see Oscar-Mayweather, Oscar-Hopkins, in fact most fights he's had)

I think people get affected way more by commentary than they're willing to admit.

Yep.Have never seen the total outrage.The commentary by Lampley was at times an exercise in calling phantom punches.He does it quite often and usually watch the replay Sunday morning after...."BIGGG RIGHT HAND" blah