does the winner of the SMW super six have a better resume than Calzaghe??

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and how is that?

Apart from 2 close some would say unfair wins over Hopkins what has taylor ever done.

He has look great in parts of fights but has never put it together for a full fight.

Maybe I should of made myself a little more clearer. I was talking about fighters faced. Taylor in 32 fights has already faced better fighters than Calzaghe did in 46. Taylor's opposition of Bernard Hopkins (x2), Winky Wright, Kassim Ouma, Cory Spinks, Carl Froch, Kelly Pavlik (x 2) and William Joppy is clearly better than Calzaghe's of Mikkel kessler, Bernard Hopkins, Jeff Lacy, Robin Reid, Sakio Bika and Chris Eubanks

I don't think even Jermain Taylor would count Kasim Ouma as resume worthy, he's gone about 0-5 or something in recent fights. Cory Spinks was a career welterweight and that fight was an embarrasment for Jermain, one of the poorest performances ever by an undisputed world champ imo. Joppy was old and well past his best. Honestly Sakio Bika may not have the world titles of those three guys but I'd put him as a tougher opponent than all three by far. Obviously Taylor got smashed by Froch and Pavlik so they don't really enhance his legacy, unless you want to give Francios Botha credit for being Ko'd by Lennox, Wlad, Tyson and Michael Moorer.

Calzaghe would have won total landslide victories or KO'd Spinks, Ouma, Wright and Joppy.

I doubt all four between them would win more than 5 rounds.

Shiit goes both ways. You don't think Taylor could beat the fighters Calzaghe beat? He holds 2 victories over a much younger Hopkins that Calzaghe beat. And i would give him an excellent chance against Kessler

[Kev]

Maybe I should of made myself a little more clearer. I was talking about fighters faced. Taylor in 32 fights has already faced better fighters than Calzaghe did in 46. Taylor's opposition of Bernard Hopkins (x2), Winky Wright, Kassim Ouma, Cory Spinks, Carl Froch, Kelly Pavlik (x 2) and William Joppy is clearly better than Calzaghe's of Mikkel kessler, Bernard Hopkins, Jeff Lacy, Robin Reid, Sakio Bika and Chris Eubanks

I don't think even Jermain Taylor would count Kasim Ouma as resume worthy, he's gone about 0-5 or something in recent fights. Cory Spinks was a career welterweight and that fight was an embarrasment for Jermain, one of the poorest performances ever by an undisputed world champ imo. Joppy was old and well past his best. Honestly Sakio Bika may not have the world titles of those three guys but I'd put him as a tougher opponent than all three by far. Obviously Taylor got smashed by Froch and Pavlik so they don't really enhance his legacy, unless you want to give Francios Botha credit for being Ko'd by Lennox, Wlad, Tyson and Michael Moorer.

Calzaghe would have won total landslide victories or KO'd Spinks, Ouma, Wright and Joppy.

I doubt all four between them would win more than 5 rounds.

Shiit goes both ways. You don't think Taylor could beat the fighters Calzaghe beat? He holds 2 victories over a much younger Hopkins that Calzaghe beat. And i would give him an excellent chance against Kessler

Possibly, the only difference is Joe DID beat the fighters he beat whereas Jermain lost to a couple of his own opponents.

As for Taylor having a chance against Kessler, well the great news is we will soon get to see.

I actually Jermain a lot, and believe he could upset a few on the Super Six tournament. It doesn't change the fact that he was Ko'd twice, beaten 3 times and had 4 other fights (Hopkins twice, Spinks, Winky) that were all very controversial to say the least, and with him only escaping with a draw against Winky.

Meanwhile Joe went 46-0.

Joe's resume is better.

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I don't think even Jermain Taylor would count Kasim Ouma as resume worthy, he's gone about 0-5 or something in recent fights. Cory Spinks was a career welterweight and that fight was an embarrasment for Jermain, one of the poorest performances ever by an undisputed world champ imo. Joppy was old and well past his best. Honestly Sakio Bika may not have the world titles of those three guys but I'd put him as a tougher opponent than all three by far. Obviously Taylor got smashed by Froch and Pavlik so they don't really enhance his legacy, unless you want to give Francios Botha credit for being Ko'd by Lennox, Wlad, Tyson and Michael Moorer.

Calzaghe would have won total landslide victories or KO'd Spinks, Ouma, Wright and Joppy.

I doubt all four between them would win more than 5 rounds.

Shiit goes both ways. You don't think Taylor could beat the fighters Calzaghe beat? He holds 2 victories over a much younger Hopkins that Calzaghe beat. And i would give him an excellent chance against Kessler

Possibly, the only difference is Joe DID beat the fighters he beat whereas Jermain lost to a couple of his own opponents.

As for Taylor having a chance against Kessler, well the great news is we will soon get to see.

I actually Jermain a lot, and believe he could upset a few on the Super Six tournament. It doesn't change the fact that he was Ko'd twice, beaten 3 times and had 4 other fights (Hopkins twice, Spinks, Winky) that were all very controversial to say the least, and with him only escaping with a draw against Winky.

Meanwhile Joe went 46-0.

Joe's resume is better.

Based on wins and losses, yeah it is. Which is why I tried to make it clearer what I meant. And what I meant was Taylor faced the better fighters. Which he did

[Kev]

Shiit goes both ways. You don't think Taylor could beat the fighters Calzaghe beat? He holds 2 victories over a much younger Hopkins that Calzaghe beat. And i would give him an excellent chance against Kessler

Possibly, the only difference is Joe DID beat the fighters he beat whereas Jermain lost to a couple of his own opponents.

As for Taylor having a chance against Kessler, well the great news is we will soon get to see.

I actually Jermain a lot, and believe he could upset a few on the Super Six tournament. It doesn't change the fact that he was Ko'd twice, beaten 3 times and had 4 other fights (Hopkins twice, Spinks, Winky) that were all very controversial to say the least, and with him only escaping with a draw against Winky.

Meanwhile Joe went 46-0.

Joe's resume is better.

Based on wins and losses, yeah it is. Which is why I tried to make it clearer what I meant. And what I meant was Taylor faced the better fighters. Which he did

I don't know, aside from Hopkins and Pavlik he hasn't faced anybody great.

Calzaghe beat Hopkins so they cancel each other out. Winky is certainly no better than Roy Jones, both are old and past their best of course. Of the others like Spinks and Ouma, they were joke fights really, Taylor had no business fighting them.

Pavlik was a great opponent, but comparable to Kessler, I'm not sure, maybe equal, maybe not, personally I prefer Kessler.

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Possibly, the only difference is Joe DID beat the fighters he beat whereas Jermain lost to a couple of his own opponents.

As for Taylor having a chance against Kessler, well the great news is we will soon get to see.

I actually Jermain a lot, and believe he could upset a few on the Super Six tournament. It doesn't change the fact that he was Ko'd twice, beaten 3 times and had 4 other fights (Hopkins twice, Spinks, Winky) that were all very controversial to say the least, and with him only escaping with a draw against Winky.

Meanwhile Joe went 46-0.

Joe's resume is better.

Based on wins and losses, yeah it is. Which is why I tried to make it clearer what I meant. And what I meant was Taylor faced the better fighters. Which he did

I don't know, aside from Hopkins and Pavlik he hasn't faced anybody great.

Calzaghe beat Hopkins so they cancel each other out. Winky is certainly no better than Roy Jones, both are old and past their best of course. Of the others like Spinks and Ouma, they were joke fights really, Taylor had no business fighting them.

Pavlik was a great opponent, but comparable to Kessler, I'm not sure, maybe equal, maybe not, personally I prefer Kessler.

Facing Hopkins twice doesn't cancel out facing Hopkins once. And Spinks and Ouma were out of there best weights. But certainly better than Manfredo and Bika

[Kev]

Based on wins and losses, yeah it is. Which is why I tried to make it clearer what I meant. And what I meant was Taylor faced the better fighters. Which he did

I don't know, aside from Hopkins and Pavlik he hasn't faced anybody great.

Calzaghe beat Hopkins so they cancel each other out. Winky is certainly no better than Roy Jones, both are old and past their best of course. Of the others like Spinks and Ouma, they were joke fights really, Taylor had no business fighting them.

Pavlik was a great opponent, but comparable to Kessler, I'm not sure, maybe equal, maybe not, personally I prefer Kessler.

Facing Hopkins twice doesn't cancel out facing Hopkins once. And Spinks and Ouma were out of there best weights. But certainly better than Manfredo and Bika

Honestly I don't think Ouma was even better than Manfredo. Manfredo never lost to K9 Bundrage. Spinks was barely able to beat complete unknown Deandre Latimore and got floored in the process, Bika has held his own against good competion and has wins over Manfredo, Soliman and Jaidon Codrington. He's also never been stopped and has gone 24 rounds with Calzaghe and Bute. Sure he's not world class but he's a hard night's work for anybody and a tougher challenge than a blown up welter with a notoriously weak chin and no stamina, as well as being one of the lightest hitters in boxing.

[Rantcatrat]

Only Kessler and Jermain have resumes worth comparing even with winning the whole tournament.

I'll say this if Jermain wins this whole tournament with wins over Kessler, Abraham, and Froch in a rematch, it's worth discussing. Right now Calzaghe has a better resume hands down if simply because he has never lost and faced better opposition at his natural weight. Yes, an undefeated Jeff Lacy, Eubanks, Reid, Bika, Kessler, Bhop (step up in weight to 175), Jones (step up in weight to 175) are better wins than Taylor most significant wins. Taylor FACED good opposition, but other than his Hopkins wins (which for comparison's sake were only three years before Calzaghe beat Hopkins and Hopkins only fought twice in that time), he never won the big fights. He lost to Kelly Pavlik (and in my opinion the jury is still out on how good legacy-wise Kelly Pavlik is), drew with Winky Wright, and lost to Carl Froch. Jermain wins the whole thing and beats Bute and his resume compares favorably to Calzaghe's.

Abraham's biggest wins are over Miranda at 160.

Froch's biggest wins are over Jermain and Pascal at 168 - better than Abraham's resume.

Ward and Dirrell don't have any significant wins yet.

Kessler has wins over Andrade, Beyer, and Mundine, but he lost to Calzaghe. Kesslers wins the whole thing and beats Bute and his resume can compare favorably with Calzaghe's.

[BIG H]

Shiit goes both ways. You don't think Taylor could beat the fighters Calzaghe beat? He holds 2 victories over a much younger Hopkins that Calzaghe beat. And i would give him an excellent chance against Kessler

Possibly, the only difference is Joe DID beat the fighters he beat whereas Jermain lost to a couple of his own opponents.

As for Taylor having a chance against Kessler, well the great news is we will soon get to see.

I actually Jermain a lot, and believe he could upset a few on the Super Six tournament. It doesn't change the fact that he was Ko'd twice, beaten 3 times and had 4 other fights (Hopkins twice, Spinks, Winky) that were all very controversial to say the least, and with him only escaping with a draw against Winky.

Meanwhile Joe went 46-0.

Joe's resume is better.

Based on wins and losses, yeah it is. Which is why I tried to make it clearer what I meant. And what I meant was Taylor faced the better fighters. Which he did

By that rationale we should be talking about Reggie Strickland's resume. A Resume is only a good one if you win. Having great jobs on your resume aint a good thing if you got fired from the most challenging ones.

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Possibly, the only difference is Joe DID beat the fighters he beat whereas Jermain lost to a couple of his own opponents.

As for Taylor having a chance against Kessler, well the great news is we will soon get to see.

I actually Jermain a lot, and believe he could upset a few on the Super Six tournament. It doesn't change the fact that he was Ko'd twice, beaten 3 times and had 4 other fights (Hopkins twice, Spinks, Winky) that were all very controversial to say the least, and with him only escaping with a draw against Winky.

Meanwhile Joe went 46-0.

Joe's resume is better.

Based on wins and losses, yeah it is. Which is why I tried to make it clearer what I meant. And what I meant was Taylor faced the better fighters. Which he did

By that rationale we should be talking about Reggie Strickland's resume. A Resume is only a good one if you win. Having great jobs on your resume aint a good thing if you got fired from the most challenging ones.

I agree that it has to be considered somewhere, but you can't base solely on the number of defeats on the resume neither; the quality of the opponents is kinda playing down the stretch about if you'll escape with a win or a lose.