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Nope Joe Calzaghe Is A Class On His Own And He Well And Truly Defeated Kessler In A Beautiul Fight....which He Won Easily... Joes Undeafted Status Will Go Down In History And That Is Wat Makes Him Greater Then Any Of These Wannabe Greats.....joe Was A Absolutely Brilliant Fighter And His Resume Will Remain Unmatched 50 Years From Now
Well, Marciano already has a better resume than Joe... so you should say that Marciano will remain with an unmatched resume for 50 years Also, if we talk in matter of quality of opponent, Jermaine has the edge over Joe big time. Not saying he's better, but just like the violent one stated, quality of opponent for quality of opponent, Jermaine has a better one to this day and it is quite likely to think that he'll continue to face dangerous guys, no matter win or lose.
No he doesn't. If it's just about names faced then Calzaghe faced Roy Jones. Roy pisses over every name on Taylors record barring Hopkins. Calzaghe faced Hopkins too.

So Calzaghe wins this easy.
I think people look at records and dismiss fights completely out of hand. Taylor has Pavlik and Hop and Winky on his record and nothing else, and people seem to be totally disregarding Joe's career pre-Lacy wtf. Granted there's a lot of crap on there, but seriously two blown up average Welters over the likes of Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, Mitchell

So many people think that boxing is like a game of conkers, that immediately once you beat a guy then you get to claim that guy's entire career as your own and shoot up to elite level. Think Hatton Tszyu, or more appropriate with this thread Taylor suddenly becoming elite with controversial wins over Hop, and then Pavlik the same for beating Taylor. But now wait, then Hop comes round and humiliates Pavlik and now your head hurts cause your flawed logic.

Suddenly, now Froch beats Taylor he is now considered another strong fighter on Taylor's resume, what if Taylor really slips and loses to a Manfredo, does he suddenly become elite? the only reason Froch and Pavlik look good on his record is cos he lost to them, what if JC had lost to Bika, would he then get to join Kess and Hop as one of his stronger opponents? but JC never lost so via VD's logic that makes him and his opponents crap.

and another newsflash for you, the Reid and Eubank Joe faced smashes Froch, and Woodhall schools him. And beating two completely untested pros in this tourney does no more than what Joe did against the likes of Veit and Starie and Sheika all those years ago, it actually does less as the latter two held wins over credible guys like Woods and Johnson respectively.