Michael Moore's "Capitalism"

[El Kabong]

Miles, that tells about gun crime, it doesn't tell about how many gun oweners there are (it just uses population in general which means felons, violent criminals, mentally unstable, etc), it also doesn't tell about how many of the guns used in crimes were legally owned or not (which is a huge issue)...so you only see the bad things guns do in what you posted, you don't see how responsible the vast majority of LEGAL gun owners are and you don't see where guns are used to stop crime.

[amat]

Yeah I'm actually for gun laws as in making sure we try to keep them in the right hands but I badly want to own a gun, almost to the point where I would want to just ask some people if they know where I can get one I'm sure I could. That would lead to trouble but I live alone in an apartment in a nice area but it's 300,000 thousand people here and I live by 2 schools where there are people scheming there every night. It's kind of nerve racking sometimes I've had a crackhead (literally, a complete fucking crackhead) sneak in my house when I was checking my mail after I got home at like 11 at night and try to rummage my dresser. Other times I've had some complete fcking strangers knock on my door hella late at night probably because they smelled weed at like 2 am. I've probably had 3 nerve racking moments in my time living here where I've really wanted a gun and almost felt like I needed one. It would be better to own one I would never support

[Gandalf]

Like I say, I just don't understand gun ownership. I don't think humans are particularly rational creatures and in those less lucid moments they can be stir fry crazy. The fact that criminals, mentalists, and pschopaths can readily get access to guns and cause damage is bad in itself. The US produces guns for its domestic market and that is always going to lead to guns getting into the wrong hands. It doesn't matter how many responsible people there are who legally own guns. If there are NO guns in a society then there is NO gun crime. Whence countries like Japan and Korea where gun crime is next to zero. I'm not bashing Americans here, but it's just an aspect of US society that I struggle to get my head around.

Amat does make a fair point about the loonies that he seems to come across. If I lived in an area full of psychopaths perhaps I would think differently and might want a gun too. But I don't and even in England have rarely seen situations where I thought "I could do with a gun here". Being a tall, scary foreigner is usually enough out here. Nobody has guns and I have never really experienced much violence. I have yelling matches with illegal bongo truck food sellers, but that's about as far as I go.

[amat]

Oh believe me Lyle, if I had a gun he would have had some explaining to do...a lot. All I had was a knife, my voice and the element of surprise lol. When you live alone especially at times of night like this that same situation replays a lot along with others but that more then others lol. If I had a gun then I'm not so sure the situation would have played out the same way, given the circumstances I wouldn't have shot him. But walking down the hallway to see who the fuck is in your house, yeah that's a time where I wanted to have a gun and ANYTHING restricting that at least in this country is bullshit. I'm ALL FOR safe gun laws. I wouldn't even be opposed to making people seeking gun licenses take tests and prove they are responsible enough to own a weapon. However, you can't try to eliminate guns it's pretty much what this country was founded on. OK I know that's not exactly correct, but in a metaphorical sense.

If you take away guns, believe me all those country houses with no one within 2 miles would be knocked over quick, as would every other place otherwise indefensible without guns. Michael Moore is a fool for attacking guns.

[Gandalf]

I think you are all being harsh on Moore. I like the guy, he is a mainstream voice for those on the left and his views are nothing more that those of a person who would like to see a screwed up society do better for itself. The US media is saturated with right wing puppets who seem to be brainwashing the US populace, so it's good to see Moore have his say every now and then.

What kind of person wouldn't want a health care system that provides for all sectors of society? What kind of person wouldn't like to see the banks and wall street more tightly regulated? Who wouldn't like a progressive tax system where the rich pay a lot and the poor a lot less? Who wouldn't want to see the US military out of an Afghanistan that has no interest in seeking legitimate democracy? Who really believed in the US (and the UK) going to war with Iraq or that the reasons given were justified in the first place? Who wouldn't want to see major US corporations giving more back to the society that it expects to consume its products...namely in terms of job production and corporate taxes....not solely trying to give shareholder value.

I don't understand the opposition to these kinds of things. Moore could just as well make money directing satirical movies but instead focuses his attention on these pertinent issues and gets the otherwise apathetic masses at least thinking about things. Which is more than can be said for the mainstream news corporations and newspapers, which continue to bombard us with mindless pulp, advertising and business news which has no relevance to most normal people.

[El Kabong]

Yeah I'm actually for gun laws as in making sure we try to keep them in the right hands but I badly want to own a gun, almost to the point where I would want to just ask some people if they know where I can get one I'm sure I could. That would lead to trouble but I live alone in an apartment in a nice area but it's 300,000 thousand people here and I live by 2 schools where there are people scheming there every night. It's kind of nerve racking sometimes I've had a crackhead (literally, a complete fucking crackhead) sneak in my house when I was checking my mail after I got home at like 11 at night and try to rummage my dresser. Other times I've had some complete fcking strangers knock on my door hella late at night probably because they smelled weed at like 2 am. I've probably had 3 nerve racking moments in my time living here where I've really wanted a gun and almost felt like I needed one. It would be better to own one I would never support

.....well I'll be the first to tell you guns and drugs and alcohol don't mix.

But if a crackhead poked his head into my apartment it would be the last thing he ever did.

[VictorCharlie]

I usually enjoy a good documentary. I really don't take Moorer serious though. His movies speak to important topics but are regularly slanted with half truths and omissions. He has an agenda and isn't really concerned with providing an objective, well researched and 100% accurate story. One can learn something from his movies but it is really sad how many people take his documentaries as gospel.

[Andre]

I usually enjoy a good documentary. I really don't take Moorer serious though. His movies speak to important topics but are regularly slanted with half truths and omissions. He has an agenda and isn't really concerned with providing an objective, well researched and 100% accurate story. One can learn something from his movies but it is really sad how many people take his documentaries as gospel.

Its sad how people take anything as gospel in between the two extremes we have to think within on any subject. ( especially the Gospel).

[killersheep]

I usually enjoy a good documentary. I really don't take Moorer serious though. His movies speak to important topics but are regularly slanted with half truths and omissions. He has an agenda and isn't really concerned with providing an objective, well researched and 100% accurate story. One can learn something from his movies but it is really sad how many people take his documentaries as gospel.

Exactly this.

Moore is a douche bag, but he's just trying to make a buck the same way FOX, CNN, MSNBC, O'reilly, Olberman all of those douchebags do with entertainment news.

Lyle, keep an eye on Maher, bashing Obama will get more popular as people don't see results, Maher will definately slide to the right just to be controversial.

[El Kabong]

Lyle, keep an eye on Maher, bashing Obama will get more popular as people don't see results, Maher will definately slide to the right just to be controversial.

...so far he's only slid farther to the left


Miles, Michael Moore is not a decent reliable source for anything other than his own far left skewed vision of America. He is never positive about America...do you think this new movie is going to tell us about any immigrants who came to this country with nothing and built businesses and worked hard and acheived NO he's only going to tell us how "capitalism" is ripping us off. Also he's been caught dead to rights editing his "Documentaries" to make them fit HIS reality.