Dirrell deserved to lose. Fact.

[Violent Demise]

It's miles, not Niles...

I know how fights are scored and each of those criteria comes with what the judge prefers.

Clean Punching- The rounds Dirrell won were ones where his accurate punching was apparent, but for many of those rounds he simply wasn't throwing anything whereas Froch was throwing more and though not scoring high percentage shots was landing in spurts. Taken on a round by round basis I didn't see much to choose between them, they were both inneffective, though I liked Dirrells work in the 11th.

Effective aggression- Dirrell was effective in this area in the 11th and half of the 12th. The rest of the time was clinching, cycling and jumping in a heap onto the canvas. Froch did a poor job of cutting the ring off, but was at least making an effort. I give this to Froch overall.

Defence- Of course Dirrell had the better defence. However, having said that a lot of it was simply about hugging and diving head first at Froch's feet. There were times when he was able to duck and dive away from punches but glancing blows were still getting through. Frochs lack of defence was made up by his greater aggression. Dirrell's defence, though unique was counted out by his inability to throw punches.

Ring generalship- Again, for me this is a case of two fighters doing very little that was particularly effective. Dirrell was dancing around like a clown and Froch was blindly stalking. Neither fighter was doing enough to say "I am directing the fight". Dirrell was out of his comfort zone in many rounds, getting caught on the ropes and resorting to fouling (ie forcing the clinch and of course diving at Froch's feet). Likewise Froch did the same himself. Only in the 11th would I say, Dirrell finally asserted himself. But that was fleeting.

It was a shitty fight, and both fighters stunk out the joint. If both could have been DQ'ed I would be quite content. Malignaggi threw nearly a thousand punches against Diaz and made an effort to make a fight, that is what I like to see in a fighter with handspeed. Also one of the reasons I loved Calzaghe so much was his output, effort and dedication. I just cannot give fighters who pose, run, hug and don't actually throw ANY punches much credit. Dirrell was a bitch before the fight and then went ahead and fought like one. Pathetic. He didn't do enough to take Froch's title.

He probably could have had he applied himself, but he didn't and so he lost. I have no qualms with that. If he had fought more like he did in the 11th there wouldn't even be any need for any debate.

Miles, explain what Froch did that was effective aggression. Who threw the more effective punches?

You seem to be basing much of this on a personal distaste for Dirrell rather than what actually happened. I didn't like how Dirrell fought, but the simple fact is he did more & was robbed.

Malignaggi threw loads of ineffective punches, not actually landing that much, with Diaz 'coming forward' to make a fight of it, in fact he at least connected at a higher percentage. It seems like you've got a major double standard here.

I'm sure Niles was watching from some crappy stream. So I would pretty much disregard his views.

[Gandalf]

It's miles, not Niles...

I know how fights are scored and each of those criteria comes with what the judge prefers.

Clean Punching- The rounds Dirrell won were ones where his accurate punching was apparent, but for many of those rounds he simply wasn't throwing anything whereas Froch was throwing more and though not scoring high percentage shots was landing in spurts. Taken on a round by round basis I didn't see much to choose between them, they were both inneffective, though I liked Dirrells work in the 11th.

Effective aggression- Dirrell was effective in this area in the 11th and half of the 12th. The rest of the time was clinching, cycling and jumping in a heap onto the canvas. Froch did a poor job of cutting the ring off, but was at least making an effort. I give this to Froch overall.

Defence- Of course Dirrell had the better defence. However, having said that a lot of it was simply about hugging and diving head first at Froch's feet. There were times when he was able to duck and dive away from punches but glancing blows were still getting through. Frochs lack of defence was made up by his greater aggression. Dirrell's defence, though unique was counted out by his inability to throw punches.

Ring generalship- Again, for me this is a case of two fighters doing very little that was particularly effective. Dirrell was dancing around like a clown and Froch was blindly stalking. Neither fighter was doing enough to say "I am directing the fight". Dirrell was out of his comfort zone in many rounds, getting caught on the ropes and resorting to fouling (ie forcing the clinch and of course diving at Froch's feet). Likewise Froch did the same himself. Only in the 11th would I say, Dirrell finally asserted himself. But that was fleeting.

It was a shitty fight, and both fighters stunk out the joint. If both could have been DQ'ed I would be quite content. Malignaggi threw nearly a thousand punches against Diaz and made an effort to make a fight, that is what I like to see in a fighter with handspeed. Also one of the reasons I loved Calzaghe so much was his output, effort and dedication. I just cannot give fighters who pose, run, hug and don't actually throw ANY punches much credit. Dirrell was a bitch before the fight and then went ahead and fought like one. Pathetic. He didn't do enough to take Froch's title.

He probably could have had he applied himself, but he didn't and so he lost. I have no qualms with that. If he had fought more like he did in the 11th there wouldn't even be any need for any debate.

Miles, explain what Froch did that was effective aggression. Who threw the more effective punches?

You seem to be basing much of this on a personal distaste for Dirrell rather than what actually happened. I didn't like how Dirrell fought, but the simple fact is he did more & was robbed.

Malignaggi threw loads of ineffective punches, not actually landing that much, with Diaz 'coming forward' to make a fight of it, in fact he at least connected at a higher percentage. It seems like you've got a major double standard here.

I'm sure Niles was watching from some crappy stream. So I would pretty much disregard his views.

To be fair, the violent one does have a point here. I have only seen the fight the one time and on a stream. All that I have said is based on initial perceptions of that viewing. I will download a proper copy over the next day or two and see if I feel the same way. That is only fair.

[Majesty]

I guess if you are looking for something to give Froch credit for I guess you could look only as far as Antonio Tarver who gave credit to Froch because his "crotch kept coming"

You can't make it up...

YouTube - TARVER REFERS TO CARL FROCH AS "CROTCH"...

I wonder how Tarver knew.. those big ears must really come in handy