Who won? Froch? Or Dirrell?

[VictorCharlie]

Had the first round a draw and then gave Dirrel 6 rounds to Froch's 5. Honestly I didn't take the point deduction into my card so maybe it would have been a draw. I thought the deduction was wrong though. Dirrell was holding a lot but Froch was hitting on the break and on the back of the head consistently. Pretty ugly fight anyway you cut it though. I'd be interested if either could make some adjustments in a rematch.

[Spicoli]

Those are just 2 more examples. But I also wanted to provide proof about how ref's go out there way to help the home fighter. Hatton-Tszyu and McClellan-Benn are perfect examples.

Eubanks had more than a few no doubt.Ref did a shite job in 1st...way to slappy but Benn did well to get back through the ropes,G Man also landed more than his share of rear area shots to head.Always thought refs role a bit over blown.F!!!d up results in mind,Benn matched power for power with him,effecting him bad by 2nd round

Now Argentine involved officials and shady shite.hands down!

The first was the whole fight. The ref kept stopping G Man for no reason. At least 5 different times. G Man stops him without those interference. No doubt.

Well chief we'll never know,do think McClellan hampered his own chances as well for clean finish,falling in,no set up etc.Always hate intrusive refs but Gerald was also there to get tagged in what if scenario.Would have made for a hellacious rematch if dark clouds hadn't fallen on Gerald.

[ryanman]

Had the first round a draw and then gave Dirrel 6 rounds to Froch's 5. Honestly I didn't take the point deduction into my card so maybe it would have been a draw. I thought the deduction was wrong though. Dirrell was holding a lot but Froch was hitting on the break and on the back of the head consistently. Pretty ugly fight anyway you cut it though. I'd be interested if either could make some adjustments in a rematch.

oh no! a post thats related to the thread!

[SalTheButcher]

i forget sometimes how entertaining this site can be



im not even that mad about the decision at this point, i expected some shady shit from the judges

the one thing that really bothers me is that dirrell had to take a loss on his record, and its impossible for ward and dirrell to stiill meet both being undefeated no matter what ward does

the one other thing that still pisses me off is how frotch somehow tried to call the judge that gave the fight to dirrell by like 1 round crooked based on the fact that he was from mexico (i guess because mexico touches the US or some stupid shit like that)


i cant understand how anyone can defend the ref taking a point from dirrell for holding and ignoring the fouls from froch, the worst that could have come from dirrells holds was a delay in the fight, while frotch could have caused brain damaghe with his punches to the back of the head and leg/neck/back injuries with his sambo throw

[JazMerkin]

Motherfucking Aliasker Bashirov of course.

The man, the legend

Yet, I sensed in your strongly worded response that you were accusing me of accusing you of racism to which I release this response

You're all meanies & I don't like you!! How dare you!!! I was just concerned that CFH didn't know nuffink about fighting in Turkmenistan!!! (although I've heard he always supports against em if you know what I'm saying). Anyway this board is shit!! You all smell & we're no longer friends!!!!

Woah woah woah! Don't start throwing around allegations of allegations about allegations of racism. I won't accept (or understand) that!

You're right. I took this forum to a deep dark place. I should personally apologize to Saddo for shame I've brought on this place. When the site gets shut down by the feds & we're all carted off to jail, I'll try take as many years as I can for you guys, but let's face it you all just stood there & watched as I made allegations of allegations regarding allegations all about allegations of racism (). You're all as culpable as me.

[JazMerkin]

Had the first round a draw and then gave Dirrel 6 rounds to Froch's 5. Honestly I didn't take the point deduction into my card so maybe it would have been a draw. I thought the deduction was wrong though. Dirrell was holding a lot but Froch was hitting on the break and on the back of the head consistently. Pretty ugly fight anyway you cut it though. I'd be interested if either could make some adjustments in a rematch.

oh no! a post thats related to the thread!

I know, who the fuck does he think he is??

[ryanman]

The man, the legend

Yet, I sensed in your strongly worded response that you were accusing me of accusing you of racism to which I release this response

You're all meanies & I don't like you!! How dare you!!! I was just concerned that CFH didn't know nuffink about fighting in Turkmenistan!!! (although I've heard he always supports against em if you know what I'm saying). Anyway this board is shit!! You all smell & we're no longer friends!!!!

Woah woah woah! Don't start throwing around allegations of allegations about allegations of racism. I won't accept (or understand) that!

You're right. I took this forum to a deep dark place. I should personally apologize to Saddo for shame I've brought on this place. When the site gets shut down by the feds & we're all carted off to jail, I'll try take as many years as I can for you guys, but let's face it you all just stood there & watched as I made allegations of allegations regarding allegations all about allegations of racism (). You're all as culpable as me.

[SalTheButcher]

also...



SOMETIMES YOU JUST GOTTA PUT IT ON CROTCH

[ryanman]

also...



SOMETIMES YOU JUST GOTTA PUT IT ON CROTCH

Erm. i don't get it.

[SalTheButcher]

also...



SOMETIMES YOU JUST GOTTA PUT IT ON CROTCH

Erm. i don't get it.

its a reference to the american broadcast, something tarver said after the fight

[JazMerkin]

also...



SOMETIMES YOU JUST GOTTA PUT IT ON CROTCH

Erm. i don't get it.

its a reference to the american broadcast, something tarver said after the fight

That's a little too on-topic for my liking, I have to go sleep now & I fear when I wake up some lunatic such as yourself will have sensibly brought it back to the original discussion. We can't have that, not after the sterling work that has gone on

Still got any of those Dan Goosen pics, Sal? (The guy with his thumbs up at the Arreolla-Klitschko weigh-in)

I see his sinister thumb at work in this robbery

[johnsebastianmiran]

I saw Dirrell give lessons on the meaning of real estate and he threw and connected more punches while Froch moved in and made the fight Ugly. He fouled Derrill out of frustration and you can't tell me he didn't hurt him. I saw Derril land more but the way he moved did not give us the message that he was championship material. True I think Dirrell won the fight but I can live with a draw or a close Froch win but the referee needed a seeing eye dog too. That may have been the real difference in a yawner of a fight.

[Kev]

Ok I voted for a draw being the fairest result, I don't think either fighter beat the other.

I will comment on a couple of points made by Jazmerkin and Majesty in defence of Froch though.

Firstly Jaz says it's not the judges role to score the running, the falling over and the holding. I disagree, to me they both count in the ring generalship and aggression categories and many times in the fight Dirrell was negative, backpeddling and looked scared in there. I have no problem for Froch getting points for aggression and ring generalship.

Secondly Majesty claimed that those who believe Dirrell lost do so becuase they dislike Dirrell's style.

Well I have to say this works both ways. Froch has a very awkward style, he sometimes misses wildly and he can get hit. I think a lot of people don't like that style and so when they see him come forward and miss they go on about how crap as he is and start giving points to the other guy.

But the fact is that you can be ugly and still win fights. Froch may have missed a lot of the punches he threw but for most of the fight he was the only fighter coming forward and trying to fight.

If you want to say his aggression was innefective again I disagree. His aggression reduced Dirrell to backpeddling around the ring, sometimes leaping out of the way, or throwing himself to the ground or grabbing hold of Froch to make sure he doesn't get hit. To me that IS Froch being effective.

There is no doubt Dirrell was the faster, slicker, and better technical fighter and his punches when thrown were crisper, and more accurate.

But that alone doesn't win the fight, as I understand it the criteria are clean, effective punching, defence, ring generalship and effective aggresssion.

It wasn't the same for every round, both fighters had their moments landing punches, or bossing the ring but generally I had Froch for ring generalship and aggression. Dirrell for clean, effective punching.

I don't think Dirrell's defence was as great as people seem to think. To me defence is using your boxing skills to slip punches and to block them effectively. Dirrell often used his athletic skills and track shoes to keep away and run around the ring and then resorted to holding and falling over when Froch did get him in the corner.

Froch himself was dirty in the fight, I didn't see it as that bad, he was just trying to physically get to the guy, make him uncomfortable in there and pressure him. He was also getting clearly frustrated at times as well.

Dirrell's point deduction I have no clue what it was for, Dirrell was never dirty in the fight, he held a lot but Froch did rugby tackle him to the ground.

I thought the fight was close, both fighters had some success in some areas, but let themselves down in other areas.

Froch was fighting at home, and is the reigning world champion, Dirrell probably needed to show a little more to take the belt.

Dirrell himself to my mind was rarely troubled by Froch and by the end of the fight I felt Dirrell was getting more and more comfortable in there. In a 15 round fight I'd probably favour Dirrell to get the last rounds which says a lot about his potential seeing as he had never gone beyond 10 rounds before.

So overal I don't really mind the scoring. It was a close, ugly, unspectacular fight and the reigning champ and hometown fighter got the decision, as normally happens.

I do agree with most though that Dirrell is probably the moral winner if there is such a thing. He came to Froch's backyward and gave Froch's hometown fans very little to cheer about during the fight.

I feel bad that he lost, I don't think you can really say Froch beat him, he hardly looked like a beaten man by the end and its a shame his unbeaten record has been taken away from him.

He'll also really stuggle to qualify in this tournament now with Artur Abraham next which is a shame.

Froch was one of the big names, the betting favourite and the main British interest point so I'm not really suprised he got the decision.

It reminded me a lot of the first James Toney Sam Peter fight. Toney made Peter look fat, slow and confused at times in that fight when he landed his sharp combinations, but the majority of the fight was Peter lumbering forward and throwing lots more shots. He won on workrate and aggression, and dominated Toney in the rematch.

I wouldn't pick Froch to dominate Dirrell in a rematch however.......

[SalTheButcher]

Erm. i don't get it.

its a reference to the american broadcast, something tarver said after the fight

That's a little too on-topic for my liking, I have to go sleep now & I fear when I wake up some lunatic such as yourself will have sensibly brought it back to the original discussion. We can't have that, not after the sterling work that has gone on

Still got any of those Dan Goosen pics, Sal? (The guy with his thumbs up at the Arreolla-Klitschko weigh-in)

I see his sinister thumb at work in this robbery

[CFH]

Yeah, it's customary to suddenly randomly ask a poster who their favourite fighter of a different skin colour is. I'll join in Kel's wacky game.

So CFH, who is your favourite fighter of Turkmenistani ancestry?

Motherfucking Aliasker Bashirov of course.

The man, the legend

Yet, I sensed in your strongly worded response that you were accusing me of accusing you of racism to which I release this response

You're all meanies & I don't like you!! How dare you!!! I was just concerned that CFH didn't know nuffink about fighting in Turkmenistan!!! (although I've heard he always supports against em if you know what I'm saying). Anyway this board is shit!! You all smell & we're no longer friends!!!!

What's the picture of the white kid supposed to mean, you calling me a cracker?