Cotto vs Chop Chop Corley

[Majesty]

It's sorta funny how before Dirrell fought Froch people brought up how he was knocked down in his 7th pro fight as evidence of a suspect chin. But if someone brings up the Corley Cotto fight in terms of him being stunned people will say it was a while ago and it doesnt count now

[amat]

I fully expect Cotto to be stunned this fight but Cotto has maybe the best recovery in all of boxing right now. He's been stunned multiple times and often his best moments in the fight come immediately after he's been buzzed. Seriously, it's a pattern and if Judah could sneak in the left hand as Cotto comes forward then Pacquiao surely will. Will that be enough? I don't think so. This is a GREAT fight.

[JT Rock]

Im with AMAT on this one, Cotto is as cool and measured operator as there is in Boxing, sure he might get stunned but he keeps his wits and manages to be effective and dangerous even if he's seeing stars..

JMM wobbled Pac a few times with his counterpunching and IMO Cotto will inflict more damage at 145+ than Marquez will when he lands clean on Manny.
I am not convinced that Pac can take the kinda punishment a solid guy like Cotto can dish out.

[The Boxer]

Yeah i think it very possible that Pac can hurt Cotto. I think the chop chop fight is a good point. The reason being is that chop chop was a smaller fighter with decent power (not great) but he was able to land a nasty shot that had cotto on queer street. Chop chop did this not with power but with speed and timeing. Chop Chop was able to turn cotto and box and move the whole fight untill the dumb ass ref stopped it. Then we hear one of the all time great bias Jim Lampely comments. "The ref stops a fight that Cotto was going to win anyway". What fight were you watching Jim?

Now with that being said PAC and Chop Chop have very different styles.

[zhubin]

Great speed almost always conquers great power. Pac is definitely the faster fighter. Cotto is certainly not slow...in fact his speed is underrated...but if he goes into this fight purely trying to chase Pac, pin him against the ropes, and hurt him...he will be in big trouble. Another thing people haven't mentioned much...Pac and Cotto in fact have the same reach. If Cotto comes into the fight a bit weak from trying to make 145...trying to run after and catch the faster guy will make him vulnerable. I think to have great success against Pac, you need to have great counter punching and timing...like Marquez. Pac loves to throw himself forward when he tries to throw flurries...and he is often off balance. Cotto needs to utilize his great jab and draw Pac in. Countering him and than setting him up for some hard shots. If Cotto comes into this fight in a strong mental state and fights intelligently...he has a chance. But unlike popular opinion, he should not try to brawl. People simply think that if a fighter is naturally bigger and stronger...he has to impose his strength. That is only the case if your opponent isn't much faster than you. Otherwise...you have to fight a technically smart fight to deal with the speed...and set up opponent. Or you will throw and miss and get tagged and eventually tire out.

[SalTheButcher]

cotto really doesnt take punches well, and pacquiao will hurt him bad with the first left straight he lands, but the cotto that fought corley had barely any boxing skill, hes a way better fighter now


hes also learned not to let himself get hit


i think back before he fought corley and torres he thought he could just be oblivious

[JonesJrMayweather]

The only way i see cotto being hurt by manny is if cotto underestimates him. If he treats him a legit opponent that can hurt him manny will be bashed to pieces.

Hard too imagine Cotto going 12 with shane without ever really being hurt only to be hurt by manny.

[holmcall]

Great speed almost always conquers great power. Pac is definitely the faster fighter. Cotto is certainly not slow...in fact his speed is underrated...but if he goes into this fight purely trying to chase Pac, pin him against the ropes, and hurt him...he will be in big trouble. Another thing people haven't mentioned much...Pac and Cotto in fact have the same reach. If Cotto comes into the fight a bit weak from trying to make 145...trying to run after and catch the faster guy will make him vulnerable. I think to have great success against Pac, you need to have great counter punching and timing...like Marquez. Pac loves to throw himself forward when he tries to throw flurries...and he is often off balance. Cotto needs to utilize his great jab and draw Pac in. Countering him and than setting him up for some hard shots. If Cotto comes into this fight in a strong mental state and fights intelligently...he has a chance. But unlike popular opinion, he should not try to brawl. People simply think that if a fighter is naturally bigger and stronger...he has to impose his strength. That is only the case if your opponent isn't much faster than you. Otherwise...you have to fight a technically smart fight to deal with the speed...and set up opponent. Or you will throw and miss and get tagged and eventually tire out.

I have a thread going with over 1100 posts on another planet, but this post is as good as they get. Very, very insightful.

[zhubin]

Great speed almost always conquers great power. Pac is definitely the faster fighter. Cotto is certainly not slow...in fact his speed is underrated...but if he goes into this fight purely trying to chase Pac, pin him against the ropes, and hurt him...he will be in big trouble. Another thing people haven't mentioned much...Pac and Cotto in fact have the same reach. If Cotto comes into the fight a bit weak from trying to make 145...trying to run after and catch the faster guy will make him vulnerable. I think to have great success against Pac, you need to have great counter punching and timing...like Marquez. Pac loves to throw himself forward when he tries to throw flurries...and he is often off balance. Cotto needs to utilize his great jab and draw Pac in. Countering him and than setting him up for some hard shots. If Cotto comes into this fight in a strong mental state and fights intelligently...he has a chance. But unlike popular opinion, he should not try to brawl. People simply think that if a fighter is naturally bigger and stronger...he has to impose his strength. That is only the case if your opponent isn't much faster than you. Otherwise...you have to fight a technically smart fight to deal with the speed...and set up opponent. Or you will throw and miss and get tagged and eventually tire out.

I have a thread going with over 1100 posts on another planet, but this post is as good as they get. Very, very insightful.

Thanks holmcall. I am just hoping it will be great fight. Pac is on fire at the moment...but if Cotto comes in mentally and physically sharp...to go along with a great game plan...he certainly will be more than a handful.

[AdamGB]

It's sorta funny how before Dirrell fought Froch people brought up how he was knocked down in his 7th pro fight as evidence of a suspect chin. But if someone brings up the Corley Cotto fight in terms of him being stunned people will say it was a while ago and it doesnt count now

Apples and Oranges.

I don't recall dirrel ever moving up a weight class? He's always been comfortable at Super Middle.

[The Boxer]

Majesty i understand exactly where your comming from. People often bring up how chop chop hurt PBF as evidence of how PBF can't take a punch But when you mention chop chop hurting Cotto people act like it was forever ago. If i do recall PBF fought Chop CHop in 04 and Cotto fought him in 05. Also Cotto was way more hurt than by Chop than PBF was. People tried to use the chop chop fight as evidence that PBF couldn't handle the strength of fighters at 140 and above. Now all of a sudden people act like PBF is Paul Williams. Anyway all i'm saying is if you wanna use PBF Corley which was in 2004 than we should be able to use Corely Cotto which was in 2005.

By the way whats Chop Chop doing anyway. I haven't heard from him since the Writter fight which i still haven't seen.

[Pugilistic]

Cotto was seriously weight drained at 140.

Look at Cotto at his weigh in against Corley.



Ever since moving up to 147 his chin has proved to be pretty solid taking shots from the likes of Judah, Clottey, Mosley, Quintana. Even against Margarito he took alot of punishment to the body and head before he went down.

[AdamGB]

I think that picture says it all really...

Like I said before: Unless you're comparing two physically identical fighters under the exact same circumstances then you're basically comparing chalk and cheese or apples and oranges.

We're talking about boxing here boys, not playing with pokemon cards.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Cotto was seriously weight drained at 140.

Look at Cotto at his weigh in against Corley.



Ever since moving up to 147 his chin has proved to be pretty solid taking shots from the likes of Judah, Clottey, Mosley, Quintana. Even against Margarito he took alot of punishment to the body and head before he went down.

Nice one Pugilistic, Thats the pic i was looking for...!

Anyone care to say Cotto isn't just a bit dehydrated here