Roy jones jr vs Mike Tyson

[rjj tszyu]

I agree prime tyson would have been too much. Roy may have danced around but he always had a bad habit of staying too close too long believing in his ability. Even Ruiz caught him in that first round and stunned him, had that been a real HW hitter roy would have gone down.

Tyson's not an all time great in terms of career, but he's definitely up there in terms of hand power, agility, and quickness. Couple that with the fact that Tyson is like a shark when he smells blood. He would have known Roy was smaller and this would have given him extra motivation.

Its Ironic that Id pick prime tyson over roy, but I'd take Roy over Ali.

Roy over Ali?? No way. Roy would probably beat him now.

Ali would get Roy quick IMO. Roy's biggest advantage is speed but although he is not as fast as Roy, Ali was far bigger and had freak speed in hand, feet and reflex and the outcome would be a KO for Ali.

Can't believe I am going against Roy so much but I'm trying to remain sensible. Any of the ATG HW's would be too much for Roy Jones who is basically a blown up MW with freakish power, Speed and skill. But HW's are just too much for even the likes of Roy. I mean look at his fight with Ruiz, yes he was dominant but that wasn't the dominant fighter that destroyed everyone and everything at LHW.

Roys natural size is similar to SRR (who is the only man I think is def better than Roy p4p) and he too would have no chance with any ATG big man!

[BigLuke]

Well say were talking about a boy at his best 175. I think Roy's style which would have been pretty foreign to Tyson and would give him a lot of trouble. Tyson was used to fighting much heavier slower opponents and I think roy could really frustrate Tyson. I honestly think Roy might could pull a deciscion. I think Tyson was great in his prime, but Roy was a lot slicker boxer, and I think he could stick and move his way to victory. That may be a long shot because if Tyson landed a few flush hooks to Roy's head it would be good night Mr. Jones. This fight could go either way.

[rjj tszyu]

Well say were talking about a boy at his best 175. I think Roy's style which would have been pretty foreign to Tyson and would give him a lot of trouble. Tyson was used to fighting much heavier slower opponents and I think roy could really frustrate Tyson. I honestly think Roy might could pull a deciscion. I think Tyson was great in his prime, but Roy was a lot slicker boxer, and I think he could stick and move his way to victory. That may be a long shot because if Tyson landed a few flush hooks to Roy's head it would be good night Mr. Jones. This fight could go either way.

Spinks was a good 175 fighter not as good as Roy but you get the point!

[ryanman]

Agree with LethalChris on this one.
Its not a fair comparison given the size difference. If we arent talking about this in terms of P4P then Jones gets taken out.

[JonesJrMayweather]

I agree prime tyson would have been too much. Roy may have danced around but he always had a bad habit of staying too close too long believing in his ability. Even Ruiz caught him in that first round and stunned him, had that been a real HW hitter roy would have gone down.

Tyson's not an all time great in terms of career, but he's definitely up there in terms of hand power, agility, and quickness. Couple that with the fact that Tyson is like a shark when he smells blood. He would have known Roy was smaller and this would have given him extra motivation.

Its Ironic that Id pick prime tyson over roy, but I'd take Roy over Ali.

Roy over Ali?? No way. Roy would probably beat him now.

Ali would get Roy quick IMO. Roy's biggest advantage is speed but although he is not as fast as Roy, Ali was far bigger and had freak speed in hand, feet and reflex and the outcome would be a KO for Ali.

Can't believe I am going against Roy so much but I'm trying to remain sensible. Any of the ATG HW's would be too much for Roy Jones who is basically a blown up MW with freakish power, Speed and skill. But HW's are just too much for even the likes of Roy. I mean look at his fight with Ruiz, yes he was dominant but that wasn't the dominant fighter that destroyed everyone and everything at LHW.

Roys natural size is similar to SRR (who is the only man I think is def better than Roy p4p) and he too would have no chance with any ATG big man!

Styles make fights, and Ali ate tooo many left hooks, wide and slow left hooks at that. Roy would have a field day not to mention he'd be making Ali miss which would also play against him.

I'm taking Roy over any of the smaller heavies ATG or not. With the exception of Tyson who is probably the quickest heavy in history on foot. Roy would beat them. 190-220 If they fall in that range I'd take Roy. Yeah Ali was quick because he averaged around 205-210 before going to prison.

I think Roy's advantage would be his smarts against the rest of them. Against an aggressive guy like tyson who is quick enough to get into position to throw and had a great chin as well would be too much.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I agree prime tyson would have been too much. Roy may have danced around but he always had a bad habit of staying too close too long believing in his ability. Even Ruiz caught him in that first round and stunned him, had that been a real HW hitter roy would have gone down.

Tyson's not an all time great in terms of career, but he's definitely up there in terms of hand power, agility, and quickness. Couple that with the fact that Tyson is like a shark when he smells blood. He would have known Roy was smaller and this would have given him extra motivation.

Its Ironic that Id pick prime tyson over roy, but I'd take Roy over Ali.

Roy over Ali?? No way. Roy would probably beat him now.

Ali would get Roy quick IMO. Roy's biggest advantage is speed but although he is not as fast as Roy, Ali was far bigger and had freak speed in hand, feet and reflex and the outcome would be a KO for Ali.

Can't believe I am going against Roy so much but I'm trying to remain sensible. Any of the ATG HW's would be too much for Roy Jones who is basically a blown up MW with freakish power, Speed and skill. But HW's are just too much for even the likes of Roy. I mean look at his fight with Ruiz, yes he was dominant but that wasn't the dominant fighter that destroyed everyone and everything at LHW.

Roys natural size is similar to SRR (who is the only man I think is def better than Roy p4p) and he too would have no chance with any ATG big man!

Styles make fights, and Ali ate tooo many left hooks, wide and slow left hooks at that. Roy would have a field day not to mention he'd be making Ali miss which would also play against him.

I'm taking Roy over any of the smaller heavies ATG or not. With the exception of Tyson who is probably the quickest heavy in history on foot. Roy would beat them. 190-220 If they fall in that range I'd take Roy. Yeah Ali was quick because he averaged around 205-210 before going to prison.

I think Roy's advantage would be his smarts against the rest of them. Against an aggressive guy like tyson who is quick enough to get into position to throw and had a great chin as well would be too much.

first off Ali never technically went to prison he was out on bail and couldn't leave the country, and wasn't allowed a license
given that Ruiz of all people was able to get Jones on the ropes on numerous occasions, and Ruiz isn't a big HW, Ali would have murdered Jones at HW

[JonesJrMayweather]

Roy over Ali?? No way. Roy would probably beat him now.

Ali would get Roy quick IMO. Roy's biggest advantage is speed but although he is not as fast as Roy, Ali was far bigger and had freak speed in hand, feet and reflex and the outcome would be a KO for Ali.

Can't believe I am going against Roy so much but I'm trying to remain sensible. Any of the ATG HW's would be too much for Roy Jones who is basically a blown up MW with freakish power, Speed and skill. But HW's are just too much for even the likes of Roy. I mean look at his fight with Ruiz, yes he was dominant but that wasn't the dominant fighter that destroyed everyone and everything at LHW.

Roys natural size is similar to SRR (who is the only man I think is def better than Roy p4p) and he too would have no chance with any ATG big man!

Styles make fights, and Ali ate tooo many left hooks, wide and slow left hooks at that. Roy would have a field day not to mention he'd be making Ali miss which would also play against him.

I'm taking Roy over any of the smaller heavies ATG or not. With the exception of Tyson who is probably the quickest heavy in history on foot. Roy would beat them. 190-220 If they fall in that range I'd take Roy. Yeah Ali was quick because he averaged around 205-210 before going to prison.

I think Roy's advantage would be his smarts against the rest of them. Against an aggressive guy like tyson who is quick enough to get into position to throw and had a great chin as well would be too much.

first off Ali never technically went to prison he was out on bail and couldn't leave the country, and wasn't allowed a license
given that Ruiz of all people was able to get Jones on the ropes on numerous occasions, and Ruiz isn't a big HW, Ali would have murdered Jones at HW

We're talking about prime roy, he wasn't prime against ruiz and he only went to the ropes by choice..not to mention ali wasn't a push and hug guy like ruiz so i dont see how that helps the argument.

Besides you mention ruiz a guy who had one of the worst styles ever, he made eveyr HW he's faced post tua look awkward in trying to handle his style. Roy toyed with ruiz.

[ICB]

I agree prime tyson would have been too much. Roy may have danced around but he always had a bad habit of staying too close too long believing in his ability. Even Ruiz caught him in that first round and stunned him, had that been a real HW hitter roy would have gone down.

Tyson's not an all time great in terms of career, but he's definitely up there in terms of hand power, agility, and quickness. Couple that with the fact that Tyson is like a shark when he smells blood. He would have known Roy was smaller and this would have given him extra motivation.

Its Ironic that Id pick prime tyson over roy, but I'd take Roy over Ali.

Roy over Ali?? No way. Roy would probably beat him now.

Ali would get Roy quick IMO. Roy's biggest advantage is speed but although he is not as fast as Roy, Ali was far bigger and had freak speed in hand, feet and reflex and the outcome would be a KO for Ali.

Can't believe I am going against Roy so much but I'm trying to remain sensible. Any of the ATG HW's would be too much for Roy Jones who is basically a blown up MW with freakish power, Speed and skill. But HW's are just too much for even the likes of Roy. I mean look at his fight with Ruiz, yes he was dominant but that wasn't the dominant fighter that destroyed everyone and everything at LHW.

Roys natural size is similar to SRR (who is the only man I think is def better than Roy p4p) and he too would have no chance with any ATG big man!

I don't think its out of the question, that RJJ could of beat Muhammad Ali. Doug Jones gave Muhammad Ali all he could handle, he was only 188 pounds, Henry Cooper dropped him like a sack he was only 185 pounds, and Sonny Banks also dropped Muhammad Ali he was only 191 pounds.

If were talking about the early Muhammad Ali of the 60s, who wasn't much over 200 pounds, and RJJ was say 190 pounds or so. He could very well give Muhammad Ali fits with his speed and athletic ability.

I don't think he would personally win, but i think he would stylistically. Give Muhammad Ali a tough time, the only thing that worries me is RJJ's chin. But he did take some flush Heavyweight punches off John Ruiz, who was 220+.

And despite what you say about John Ruiz, he still knocked Evander Holyfield down heavily. And had him on queer street, and i personally think John Ruiz beat Evander Holyfield 2-1, and remember this was the same Evander Holyfield fresh off his two fights with Lennox Lewis.

[Drago]

the problem is ali fought all the best opponents, RJJ didnt. if they had of fought i would put alot of money on ali to win

[ICB]

the problem is ali fought all the best opponents, RJJ didnt. if they had of fought i would put alot of money on ali to win

Yea and i think Muhammad Ali should have atleast 9 or 10 losses, on his record but thats a debate for another day. I just think people overrate Muhammad Ali a bit too much, i don't think its crazy to think a 190 pound RJJ, who still keeps his attributes, could trouble the Muhammad Ali who was just over 200 pounds, and was hurt and troubled by fighters who would be technically Cruiserweights today.

[Drago]

the problem is ali fought all the best opponents, RJJ didnt. if they had of fought i would put alot of money on ali to win

Yea and i think Muhammad Ali should have atleast 10 losses, on his record but thats a debate for another day. I just think people overrate Muhammad Ali a bit too much, i don't think its crazy to think a 190 pound RJJ, who still keeps his attributes, could trouble the Muhammad Ali who was just over 200 pounds, and was hurt and troubled by fighters who would be technically Cruiserweights today.

good point ali did have a few gifts but he at least fought everyone, its a real sahme RJJ didnt fight collins, eubank & benn he would of probably beat them all but a real shame he didnt.

[ICB]

the problem is ali fought all the best opponents, RJJ didnt. if they had of fought i would put alot of money on ali to win

Yea and i think Muhammad Ali should have atleast 10 losses, on his record but thats a debate for another day. I just think people overrate Muhammad Ali a bit too much, i don't think its crazy to think a 190 pound RJJ, who still keeps his attributes, could trouble the Muhammad Ali who was just over 200 pounds, and was hurt and troubled by fighters who would be technically Cruiserweights today.

good point ali did have a few gifts but he at least fought everyone, its a real sahme RJJ didnt fight collins, eubank & benn he would of probably beat them all but a real shame he didnt.

Oh yea for certain you can't argue that Muhammad Ali, fought the best. And i respect him for that, but im just not a fan of his. And just because he's regarded by fans as one of the greatest. I don't have to have the same opinion.

And i don't agree that just because of who he is, that we should just sweep his controversial decisions under the carpet. I truly believe he lost twice to Ken Norton the 1st fight and the 3rd fight, and the 2nd fight Muhammad Ali may of edged out by 1 point. But it still easily could of been a draw.

I also think he lost to Jimmy Young, Earnie Shavers. His fight with Doug Jones was probably a draw, and this was Muhammad Ali not that far from his peak.

And lets also not forget the controversy surronding the Henry Cooper fight, i believe smelling salts wern't allowed in the UK at that time. And he should of maybe have been technically DQ although don't quote me on that. Because im not sure of that fact.

And also there was plenty of other fighters, he should of handily beaten. That he struggled with, theres no doubt Muhammad Ali was a great fighter.

But i do believe he is very beatable, and as i've always said if he would of lost some of those controversial decisions, especially the ones against Jimmy Young, Ken Norton. Which i would probably say more people think he lost these fights than won, would he still been seen in the same light ?

[Drago]

would he still been seen in the same light ? u ask ICB & i think the answer is definately no my friend your making a very good argument here

[rjj tszyu]

Yea and i think Muhammad Ali should have atleast 10 losses, on his record but thats a debate for another day. I just think people overrate Muhammad Ali a bit too much, i don't think its crazy to think a 190 pound RJJ, who still keeps his attributes, could trouble the Muhammad Ali who was just over 200 pounds, and was hurt and troubled by fighters who would be technically Cruiserweights today.

good point ali did have a few gifts but he at least fought everyone, its a real sahme RJJ didnt fight collins, eubank & benn he would of probably beat them all but a real shame he didnt.

Oh yea for certain you can't argue that Muhammad Ali, fought the best. And i respect him for that, but im just not a fan of his. And just because he's regarded by fans as one of the greatest. I don't have to have the same opinion.

And i don't agree that just because of who he is, that we should just sweep his controversial decisions under the carpet. I truly believe he lost twice to Ken Norton the 1st fight and the 3rd fight, and the 2nd fight Muhammad Ali may of edged out by 1 point. But it still easily could of been a draw.

I also think he lost to Jimmy Young, Earnie Shavers. His fight with Doug Jones was probably a draw, and this was Muhammad Ali not that far from his peak.

And lets also not forget the controversy surronding the Henry Cooper fight, i believe smelling salts wern't allowed in the UK at that time. And he should of maybe have been technically DQ although don't quote me on that. Because im not sure of that fact.

And also there was plenty of other fighters, he should of handily beaten. That he struggled with, theres no doubt Muhammad Ali was a great fighter.

But i do believe he is very beatable, and as i've always said if he would of lost some of those controversial decisions, especially the ones against Jimmy Young, Ken Norton. Which i would probably say more people think he lost these fights than won, would he still been seen in the same light ?

To be honest I think Ali won the 2nd and 3rd with Norton although they were close. The 1st was something of a moral victory going the distance with the broken jaw too. Secondly I think he peaked twice but in different ways I think he was really good just before his ban (or whatever you want to call it). Then when he came back he looked rusty as hell and it took him a while to get back and when he did peak again (for me against Foreman) it wasn't natural ability he was relying on as much as his seemingly well developed boxing brain.

Another thing is the Cooper story is played up to death with people saying he got this long and that long to recover due to the glove when really I think it was an extra 7 seconds when you time it properly. He was also a long way off either peak in the first Cooper fight and made silly mistakes that reared their ugly heads again in the first Frazier fight before he was back to his best.

I don't think RJ could beat a prime Ali but I respect your argument and if he could then that would back up my claims that he might be the greatest p4p fighter of all time!