Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.

[Fenster]

that has to do more with skill, fighting style, and mindset than it does size, you said it'd be cause he was too small, Holyfield is a fraction of an inch shorter, and he's one of the greatest recent heavies,so don't feed me that bull

And Haye is not. Haye is one of the best recent cruiserweights.

So should Haye lose to a man he is clearly light-years ahead in talent it will be because he is too small. Simple as.

don't know how the hell you figure it has anything to do with him being too small, if Haye ends up being a flop at HW it's cause he wasn't that good to begin with, nothing to do with him being too small, Holyfield ended up being as great as he was cause of his dedication, workrate, and his heart/warrior mentality, he had NO PHYSICAL ADVANTAGES over any of his opponents in terms of size, nutrition is a different story, but hey guess whatever you're smoking is pretty damn strong,

Err.. what? So you are saying if Haye doesn't reach the heights Evander Holyfield did at heavyweight it proves that Haye was never any good at boxing?

You do realise Holyfield was a bit special, right?

How many other cruiserweights have stepped up to heavyweight and matched Holyfields achievements?

[ElTerribleMorales]

And Haye is not. Haye is one of the best recent cruiserweights.

So should Haye lose to a man he is clearly light-years ahead in talent it will be because he is too small. Simple as.

don't know how the hell you figure it has anything to do with him being too small, if Haye ends up being a flop at HW it's cause he wasn't that good to begin with, nothing to do with him being too small, Holyfield ended up being as great as he was cause of his dedication, workrate, and his heart/warrior mentality, he had NO PHYSICAL ADVANTAGES over any of his opponents in terms of size, nutrition is a different story, but hey guess whatever you're smoking is pretty damn strong,

Err.. what? So you are saying if Haye doesn't reach the heights Evander Holyfield did at heavyweight it proves that Haye was never any good at boxing?

You do realise Holyfield was a bit special, right?

How many other cruiserweights have stepped up to heavyweight and matched Holyfields achievements?

are you seriously that dense? yea Holyfield was special cause he had a stronger MENTAL BUILD UP than most fighters out there period, it had nothing to do with his physical build up, so if physically he could have a GREAT RUN against GREAT OPPOSITION why the hell should "size" hold Haye down, especially seeing how he's oh so talented

[Fenster]

don't know how the hell you figure it has anything to do with him being too small, if Haye ends up being a flop at HW it's cause he wasn't that good to begin with, nothing to do with him being too small, Holyfield ended up being as great as he was cause of his dedication, workrate, and his heart/warrior mentality, he had NO PHYSICAL ADVANTAGES over any of his opponents in terms of size, nutrition is a different story, but hey guess whatever you're smoking is pretty damn strong,

Err.. what? So you are saying if Haye doesn't reach the heights Evander Holyfield did at heavyweight it proves that Haye was never any good at boxing?

You do realise Holyfield was a bit special, right?

How many other cruiserweights have stepped up to heavyweight and matched Holyfields achievements?

are you seriously that dense? yea Holyfield was special cause he had a stronger MENTAL BUILD UP than most fighters out there period, it had nothing to do with his physical build up, so if physically he could have a GREAT RUN against GREAT OPPOSITION why the hell should "size" hold Haye down, especially seeing how he's oh so talented

Says the kid that is still judging Haye by the incredible elite standard set by the great Evander Holyfield.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Err.. what? So you are saying if Haye doesn't reach the heights Evander Holyfield did at heavyweight it proves that Haye was never any good at boxing?

You do realise Holyfield was a bit special, right?

How many other cruiserweights have stepped up to heavyweight and matched Holyfields achievements?

are you seriously that dense? yea Holyfield was special cause he had a stronger MENTAL BUILD UP than most fighters out there period, it had nothing to do with his physical build up, so if physically he could have a GREAT RUN against GREAT OPPOSITION why the hell should "size" hold Haye down, especially seeing how he's oh so talented

Says the kid that is still judging Haye by the incredible elite standard set by the great Evander Holyfield.

coming from the guy who says that Haye will only lose cause of a size disadvantage, and not the fact that he's utter garbage with a big mouth

[Fenster]

are you seriously that dense? yea Holyfield was special cause he had a stronger MENTAL BUILD UP than most fighters out there period, it had nothing to do with his physical build up, so if physically he could have a GREAT RUN against GREAT OPPOSITION why the hell should "size" hold Haye down, especially seeing how he's oh so talented

Says the kid that is still judging Haye by the incredible elite standard set by the great Evander Holyfield.

coming from the guy who says that Haye will only lose cause of a size disadvantage, and not the fact that he's utter garbage with a big mouth

So Haye is utter garbage (with a big mouth ).

Judah and Spinks are shit.

Anyone that can't emulate Evander Holyfield is garbage.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Says the kid that is still judging Haye by the incredible elite standard set by the great Evander Holyfield.

coming from the guy who says that Haye will only lose cause of a size disadvantage, and not the fact that he's utter garbage with a big mouth

So Haye is utter garbage (with a big mouth ).

Judah and Spinks are shit.

Anyone that can't emulate Evander Holyfield is garbage.

you keep going around in circles yet don't put any real reason to why Haye is a special exception and should be given the excuse of him being too small, yet guys like Ruiz, Chagaev, Imbragimov, Brewster, and even Tua don't get the same sympathy, say whatever makes you feel better, but you're talking out your ass Fenster, and that is FACT

[Kirkland Laing]

It's in Germany. Haye needs a knockout just to get a draw over there. FACT.

[Fenster]

coming from the guy who says that Haye will only lose cause of a size disadvantage, and not the fact that he's utter garbage with a big mouth

So Haye is utter garbage (with a big mouth ).

Judah and Spinks are shit.

Anyone that can't emulate Evander Holyfield is garbage.

you keep going around in circles yet don't put any real reason to why Haye is a special exception and should be given the excuse of him being too small, yet guys like Ruiz, Chagaev, Imbragimov, Brewster, and even Tua don't get the same sympathy, say whatever makes you feel better, but you're talking out your ass Fenster, and that is FACT

You're making yourself look stupid. Who said Haye should get a special exception?

Ruiz, Chagaev, Imbragimov, Brewster and Tua are proven heavyweights, right? They have had dozens of fights at heavyweight.

Haye started out at cruiserweight. He's had one fight at heavyweight since leaving the cruiserweight divison.

Valuev is 10 inches taller and 100lb heavier. That is a HUGE size advantage, no? So if Valuev beats Haye his SIZE will be a factor.

How the fuck is that hard to understand? Seriously....