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    Good post but I'll just say, a lot of this stuff borders on nitpicking.

    I mean really, you would have rather seen him in with Dorin then Ndou? Neither Dorin nor Spadafora had their shit sorted at the time, Dorin missed weight by like 5 pounds and retired right after he fought Spadafora. Spadafora....I don't need to explain. Ndou was a very tough opponent and notice how Floyd ramps his game up on this inside after the Castillo fights. It was a very entertaining fight, Mayweather-Ndou. That's really nitpicking.

    Give him some time guys, he had every right to retire. There is a reason boxers retire so much, it's hard. Everyone is allowed a break. So he says he's the greatest, yeah he's trying to sell fights. It's not that hard to figure out. He doesn't have a country behind him like Pacquiao so he has to be brash. Of course we are allowed to hold this against him but it doesn't mean his opposition has been terrible. I mean even without fighting all those guys that's a pretty good resume.

    I was IN FAVOR all along for him staying the course and fighting Zab Judah even though Judah lost to Carlos Baldomir. That was a mega-fight derailed, lost a lot of it's luster. Still, it was a big fight. As was Cotto-Judah and as was Clottey-Judah. All those bouts shouldn't be discredited.

    Then, of course he fights Baldomir. Antonio Margarito had done NOTHING except cry about how he was avoided. Seriously, Margarito would have been seriously outboxed, comprehensively and then all of you would have been moaning about why he avoided Baldomir. Baldomir was the lineal champ and he eventually signed for MORE MONEY to fight Baldomir. Of course he was outclassed, a formality but it was a fight he HAD to take. I was also in favor of Baldomir over Margarito from very early on. What I was worried about was what if Gatti beat Baldomir (I predicted it) and then became the lineal (and maybe Ring?) champ at 147. Oh man, imagine a PBF-Gatti rematch? So that was the ONLY scenario in which I was in favor of Margarito getting a shot at Floyd.
    Good posting Amat, I am actually even considering sending some rep your way for it. I won't of course, but I did consider considering it at least.

    I didn't really agree with the 'least resistance' thread much either.

    First he claimed Floyd had been following this path of least resistance since his close call with Castillo. Well if my memory serves me correctly, immediately after almost losing to Castillo, Floyd fought Castillo again, to prove he could beat convincingly and he did, that's hardly the path of least resistance, especially considering the likes of Calzaghe and Hatton never offered rematches when they won dubious decisions.

    The criticism for not fighting Hatton whilst they were at junior welter is a bit ridiculous seeing as he fought Hatton later, when Hatton was still undefeated and also a double weight world champ.

    Don't guys realise that the serious challengers, those likely to be the guys the public demand, need time to develop and prove themselves as marquee names so that when the fight does happen it happens for more money?

    Fighting Cotto a few years ago wouldn't mean nearly as much in terms of cash and interest than if he fights him after the Manny fight, presuming Cotto wins. Likewise for Manny. Sugar Shane is a far bigger proposition now than he was a couple years ago as well.

    Floyd just knows the right time to fight the big fights to maximise the size of the event and his earnings appeal. It's purely good management and a sound business plan.

    What he is is smart, not a coward choosing the path of least resistance.

    His last 3 fights have been Oscar, Hatton and J M Marquez, all three most likely future Hall of Famers, and his next fight will likely be against the winner of Cotto Pacquaio.

    That's a pretty good resume for the path of least resistance.
    What I should have said was once he got past Castillo, I respect he gave he a return but since then he has played it safe

    He fought Hatton at 147 after Collazo showed how vunerable Hatton was. Why didn't he fight him at 140?

    I do realize certain fights & fighters need to be built into an extravaganza, but you can't tell me Tszyu wasn't a serious challenge. In fact I don't even see you mentioning the mans name. A lot like Floyd who quietly avoided him too

    Fighting Cotto after he defeated Hatton was the fight everyone was calling for, instead Floyd ran to retirement & let actual warriors (Cotto & Margarito) fight each other

    When he fought Oscar it was the worlds best fighter against the worlds most popular, anyone who thought Hatton had a chance was delusional & Marquez had to move up 2 weight classes, wheres the challenge?

    The facts are:

    He didn't defend against a ranked contender at 135 after the Castillo fights
    Only Fought Corley & Gatti at 140 while avoiding the chamion Tszyu
    Won the championship at 147 but has never faced a worthy welterweight opponent
    This is where you're getting too one sidedly harsh on PBF. PBF moved up to 135 and went straight to the man of the division. He fought Castillo 2 of his 4 fights at 135 lbs. After fighting Castillo there is nothing left at 135. How can you argue PBF moving up after beating the man of the division twice? He would just be feasting on lesser fighters for lesser money which he did for 2 fights afterwards. Enough is enough. Who was left at 135 that would have been worth staying around for? So PBF moved up to 140lbs., and PBF was the one calling for a Tsyzu fight, and barely two fights into PBF's 140 tenure Hatton KO's Tszyu. How is that avoidance? Was PBF really suppose to fight Tszyu then? Bottom line is PBF cleaned out 130, he beat the man at 135 twice, and KO'd the ruler of the 140lbers even though it was 147. Please don't tell me you're one of the people who think Hatton would've won at 140. Hatton isn't more vulnerable at 147 because of the weight gain, heck he walks around in the 170s. Hatton is more vulnerable at 147 because the competition is a lot stiffer at 147 then it is at 140. Maybe PBF moved through 135 and 140 divisions too fast for your liking. But Pacquiao's moving up deserves more scrutiny than PBF's as of yet. Now at 147, PBF's run is deservedly in question.
    Last edited by blegit; 11-03-2009 at 11:55 AM.

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