Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.

[Dean Duke]

Re watched Holyfield v Valuev and Chag v Valuev last night and think Haye has the tools to do the job, if he does not loose the plot going for an early KO. Haye needs to pick Valuev apart, keep the big man moving and chasing the whole fight, take his legs away, make him work the whole round every round, if he can do that I can see the big man having a very hard night.

[ross]

Chagaev and Valuev can both take a shot and they can also defend, Haye is crap at both of those.

Haye could deffinitly beat alot of heavies but his chin and stamina will always be a liability, hes going to be too small here, Valuev will maul him.

Also, I reckon Valuev has power, hes never really fought aggressive, against Holyfield (who didnt win because he did nothing but skip away!) he was very passive and he seems to pull his punches alot but I think he might just walk through Haye early!! Haye has annoyed him and he has trained harder than normal because his weights down, hopefully Haye winds him up some more today

[rjj tszyu]

Chagaev and Valuev can both take a shot and they can also defend, Haye is crap at both of those.

Haye could deffinitly beat alot of heavies but his chin and stamina will always be a liability, hes going to be too small here, Valuev will maul him.

Also, I reckon Valuev has power, hes never really fought aggressive, against Holyfield (who didnt win because he did nothing but skip away!) he was very passive and he seems to pull his punches alot but I think he might just walk through Haye early!! Haye has annoyed him and he has trained harder than normal because his weights down, hopefully Haye winds him up some more today

Valuev weighs more for this than he did Holyfield by about 7lbs. Also what do you mean Holyfield didn't win because he did nothing but skip away?? Holyfield didn't win because he was robbed FACT!! Valuev is shit and Haye will prove it tonight. Not saying Haye is an all time great, but no one in the division right now is. If Haye does lose i'll hold my hand up and say I was wrong but I wonder how many who have gone for the freak will hold their hand up when Haye wins!

[Kev]

I have everything crossed for a Valuev sickening KO victory over Haye.

I'm in Bristol for a bonfire party tonight, but I'm taking my laptop with me to watch the fight as they arn't getting it, (curse my non boxing friends)

If Haye gets stopped I will spend all night on facebook spamming Leftylee and laughing at him.

In fact I will beg Saddo to unban him just so we can laugh at him on here too.

Come on Nikolay!!!!!

[jayhaych]

Haye is very chinny....he was stopped by Carl Thompson, put on his backside by Jean Mormeck( but came back to win) and put on the canvas by Monte Barrett. I'm still of the opinion that Haye is a big cruiser and not a fully fledged heavy just yet. He hasn't given himself time to grow into the division. Valuev on the other hand hasn't ever been dented and has good basic skills. He's no sugar ray leonard but can Jab,throw the right hand and has a decent uppercut. Also, even if Haye can get in and out, you have to believe that the 7ft, 22 stone Valuev will hit Haye cleanly at least a few times.......how does david react to that? Also once david gets in range, can he avoid the clinch? If not, does he tire from valuev leaning on his shoulders? I think that after 6 rds, David Haye could be in trouble. Valuev late for me.....around the 11th round.

[ross]

Haye is very chinny....he was stopped by Carl Thompson, put on his backside by Jean Mormeck( but came back to win) and put on the canvas by Monte Barrett.

Dont forget

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY9PlQTHkyU

[1-hit Wonder]

Leaning towards Haye, but whether he can deal with the size issue and his stamina problem will be key to this fight IMO. Valuev can't punch shit for me so I dont really think thats going to be a problem, even with Haye's shaky chin.

Hope he KO's the beast though ! What a sight that would be, anyway cant wait for this one. C'mon the Hayemaker !!!!

[AdamGB]

Chagaev and Valuev can both take a shot and they can also defend, Haye is crap at both of those.

Haye could deffinitly beat alot of heavies but his chin and stamina will always be a liability, hes going to be too small here, Valuev will maul him.

Also, I reckon Valuev has power, hes never really fought aggressive, against Holyfield (who didnt win because he did nothing but skip away!) he was very passive and he seems to pull his punches alot but I think he might just walk through Haye early!! Haye has annoyed him and he has trained harder than normal because his weights down, hopefully Haye winds him up some more today

Holyfield didn't win likely because the WBA didn't want to be responsible for a decent heavy weight hurting holyfield in his first defence... One of the Klits would seriously hurt him...

During the first half of the fight I found it hard to give Valuev more than one round in the bag and one even... he was garbage, Holyfield was connecting much more, through out the first half of the fight Valuev was barely connecting at all... some rounds literally not at all.

Valuev stunk the place up that night, he couldn't do anything particularly effective against an shop worn ex-cruiserweight who is the best part of 50.

If he boxes smart he wins easy, if he's stupid and dives in then he's in for a hard night.

Don't let your obvious love of haye cloud your judgement though...