Haye did what he had to do to win the fight.FACT!

[BIG H]

I can't wait for him to beat old glass jaw Wlad. I'll never ever let you forget it!

....whatever you say lefty

Speaking of lefty where is he? I thought he'd be back on here today of all days.

I reckon he's chillin with the homies, smellin the bud, Double parked and talkin to Dub about who got a plan, who got a plot, who got got, and who got shot

[Kev]

I thought the fight was awful, I felt both fighters were awful.

Valuev was unlucky to lose imo, Haye landed maybe 4 punches in the entire fight and ran more than Andre Dirrell against Carl Froch.

He really pissed me off with his post fight speech about how he made Valuev look like an amatuer and how great he was.

He should have been apologising to the fans for such a dull fight and as for making Valuev look amateur, no you didn't Valuev himself makes Valuev look amateur, you just looked like a twat, scared to engage and do anything.

He won't be doing anything in this division imo. Valuev is an AWFUL world champion.

If Haye can't engage with Valuev how the hell is he going to engage with the Klitschko's? He's just going to get jabbed to death.

Not impressed at all. He got a decision against the most awful world champ in recent memory.

John Ruiz and Evander Holyfield both beat Valuev better and more convincingly than Haye did but neither is good for the heavyweight division so they didn't get the decision.

Haye won because he's marketable FACT.

[BIG H]

I thought the fight was awful, I felt both fighters were awful.

Valuev was unlucky to lose imo, Haye landed maybe 4 punches in the entire fight and ran more than Andre Dirrell against Carl Froch.

He really pissed me off with his post fight speech about how he made Valuev look like an amatuer and how great he was.

He should have been apologising to the fans for such a dull fight and as for making Valuev look amateur, no you didn't Valuev himself makes Valuev look amateur, you just looked like a twat, scared to engage and do anything.

He won't be doing anything in this division imo. Valuev is an AWFUL world champion.

If Haye can't engage with Valuev how the hell is he going to engage with the Klitschko's? He's just going to get jabbed to death.

Not impressed at all. He got a decision against the most awful world champ in recent memory.

John Ruiz and Evander Holyfield both beat Valuev better and more convincingly than Haye did but neither is good for the heavyweight division so they didn't get the decision.

Haye won because he's marketable FACT.

I'm no Haye fan, but he deserved to win imo. Valuev is awful, but he was a foot taller and seven stones heavier and some of the people that don't acknowledge that a s afactor in the fight are very naive. If both guys were the same size and had the skills they have, Haye would've walked it!

...But Haye is crap

[Kev]

I thought the fight was awful, I felt both fighters were awful.

Valuev was unlucky to lose imo, Haye landed maybe 4 punches in the entire fight and ran more than Andre Dirrell against Carl Froch.

He really pissed me off with his post fight speech about how he made Valuev look like an amatuer and how great he was.

He should have been apologising to the fans for such a dull fight and as for making Valuev look amateur, no you didn't Valuev himself makes Valuev look amateur, you just looked like a twat, scared to engage and do anything.

He won't be doing anything in this division imo. Valuev is an AWFUL world champion.

If Haye can't engage with Valuev how the hell is he going to engage with the Klitschko's? He's just going to get jabbed to death.

Not impressed at all. He got a decision against the most awful world champ in recent memory.

John Ruiz and Evander Holyfield both beat Valuev better and more convincingly than Haye did but neither is good for the heavyweight division so they didn't get the decision.

Haye won because he's marketable FACT.

I'm no Haye fan, but he deserved to win imo. Valuev is awful, but he was a foot taller and seven stones heavier and some of the people that don't acknowledge that a s afactor in the fight are very naive. If both guys were the same size and had the skills they have, Haye would've walked it!

...But Haye is crap

Oh yeah I agree with you on that. If Valuev was 6 ft 3 he wouldn't get past the first round of a Prizefighter competition let alone fight for a world title.

I don't really have a problem with Haye winning, I mean Valuev was shit. But let's be real, Haye did no more than Holyfield did, he did no more than Ruiz did in their first fight either. In those cases Valuev got the decisions purely because of his freakish appearance imo and the fact that he was better for the heavyweight division.

Right now though, we all know Valuev sucks and he's not marketable any more whereas Haye with his cockyness and buff body certainly creates headlines so predictably he gets the nod in a close fight.

But he shouldn't be engaging in any self praise over this performance. He fought a TERRIBLE opponent in Valuev who I'd pick at least a dozen other heavies to beat him easily and instead he just ran around for 3 minutes and then landed a token punch before the bell. It was pathetic and in the light of all his smacktalk just emphasised what a bullshitter Haye is.

He will get SMASHED by either Klitschko, he just won't have any answers for either of them, and they will just take him slowly take him apart and dismantle him, it will be a joy to see.

I'm not convinced he even gets that far though. I think John Ruiz has a real chance at beating him, maybe even stopping him.

[El Kabong]

I think the big question is, "Does Haye continue to fight like this?"....let's be honest, the guy loves throwing 1 punch at a time (much like another overhyped Brit)...Valuev connected on him a couple of times, what happens if that's Wlad Klitschko in there and the ring is getting cut off and the punches are coming faster, harder, and straighter Haye is going to get KO'd that's what's going to happen and it's going to be a marvelous to watch that punk get the beatin his dad never gave him

[BIG H]

I thought the fight was awful, I felt both fighters were awful.

Valuev was unlucky to lose imo, Haye landed maybe 4 punches in the entire fight and ran more than Andre Dirrell against Carl Froch.

He really pissed me off with his post fight speech about how he made Valuev look like an amatuer and how great he was.

He should have been apologising to the fans for such a dull fight and as for making Valuev look amateur, no you didn't Valuev himself makes Valuev look amateur, you just looked like a twat, scared to engage and do anything.

He won't be doing anything in this division imo. Valuev is an AWFUL world champion.

If Haye can't engage with Valuev how the hell is he going to engage with the Klitschko's? He's just going to get jabbed to death.

Not impressed at all. He got a decision against the most awful world champ in recent memory.

John Ruiz and Evander Holyfield both beat Valuev better and more convincingly than Haye did but neither is good for the heavyweight division so they didn't get the decision.

Haye won because he's marketable FACT.

I'm no Haye fan, but he deserved to win imo. Valuev is awful, but he was a foot taller and seven stones heavier and some of the people that don't acknowledge that a s afactor in the fight are very naive. If both guys were the same size and had the skills they have, Haye would've walked it!

...But Haye is crap

Oh yeah I agree with you on that. If Valuev was 6 ft 3 he wouldn't get past the first round of a Prizefighter competition let alone fight for a world title.

I don't really have a problem with Haye winning, I mean Valuev was shit. But let's be real, Haye did no more than Holyfield did, he did no more than Ruiz did in their first fight either. In those cases Valuev got the decisions purely because of his freakish appearance imo and the fact that he was better for the heavyweight division.

Right now though, we all know Valuev sucks and he's not marketable any more whereas Haye with his cockyness and buff body certainly creates headlines so predictably he gets the nod in a close fight.

But he shouldn't be engaging in any self praise over this performance. He fought a TERRIBLE opponent in Valuev who I'd pick at least a dozen other heavies to beat him easily and instead he just ran around for 3 minutes and then landed a token punch before the bell. It was pathetic and in the light of all his smacktalk just emphasised what a bullshitter Haye is.

He will get SMASHED by either Klitschko, he just won't have any answers for either of them, and they will just take him slowly take him apart and dismantle him, it will be a joy to see.

I'm not convinced he even gets that far though. I think John Ruiz has a real chance at beating him, maybe even stopping him.

Lol - I think he'll have enough to beat Ruiz, but agree with what you say about Klitchkos. I don't see either fight going more than 3 rounds (although it wouldn't surprise me at all if he caught Wlad and KOed him)

[Fenster]

I thought the fight was awful, I felt both fighters were awful.

Valuev was unlucky to lose imo, Haye landed maybe 4 punches in the entire fight and ran more than Andre Dirrell against Carl Froch.

He really pissed me off with his post fight speech about how he made Valuev look like an amatuer and how great he was.

He should have been apologising to the fans for such a dull fight and as for making Valuev look amateur, no you didn't Valuev himself makes Valuev look amateur, you just looked like a twat, scared to engage and do anything.

He won't be doing anything in this division imo. Valuev is an AWFUL world champion.

If Haye can't engage with Valuev how the hell is he going to engage with the Klitschko's? He's just going to get jabbed to death.

Not impressed at all. He got a decision against the most awful world champ in recent memory.

John Ruiz and Evander Holyfield both beat Valuev better and more convincingly than Haye did but neither is good for the heavyweight division so they didn't get the decision.

Haye won because he's marketable FACT.

I'm no Haye fan, but he deserved to win imo. Valuev is awful, but he was a foot taller and seven stones heavier and some of the people that don't acknowledge that a s afactor in the fight are very naive. If both guys were the same size and had the skills they have, Haye would've walked it!

...But Haye is crap

Oh yeah I agree with you on that. If Valuev was 6 ft 3 he wouldn't get past the first round of a Prizefighter competition let alone fight for a world title.

I don't really have a problem with Haye winning, I mean Valuev was shit. But let's be real, Haye did no more than Holyfield did, he did no more than Ruiz did in their first fight either. In those cases Valuev got the decisions purely because of his freakish appearance imo and the fact that he was better for the heavyweight division.

Right now though, we all know Valuev sucks and he's not marketable any more whereas Haye with his cockyness and buff body certainly creates headlines so predictably he gets the nod in a close fight.

But he shouldn't be engaging in any self praise over this performance. He fought a TERRIBLE opponent in Valuev who I'd pick at least a dozen other heavies to beat him easily and instead he just ran around for 3 minutes and then landed a token punch before the bell. It was pathetic and in the light of all his smacktalk just emphasised what a bullshitter Haye is.

He will get SMASHED by either Klitschko, he just won't have any answers for either of them, and they will just take him slowly take him apart and dismantle him, it will be a joy to see.

I'm not convinced he even gets that far though. I think John Ruiz has a real chance at beating him, maybe even stopping him.

Or maybe showed how smart he is.

Look at the interest in the fight, it was huge. He didn't just make the casual fan want to tune-in he conned all the hardcores and "experts" into thinking he would go out gung-ho trying to smash Valuev out.

Instead he had a 12 round game plan in place all along - which he pulled off. Great stuff.

[El Kabong]

Or maybe showed how smart he is.

Look at the interest in the fight, it was huge. He didn't just make the casual fan want to tune-in he conned all the hardcores and "experts" into thinking he would go out gung-ho trying to smash Valuev out.

Instead he had a 12 round game plan in place all along - which he pulled off. Great stuff.

So he's a total hypocrit and never had any plans on bringing excitement to the division at all

[Fenster]

Or maybe showed how smart he is.

Look at the interest in the fight, it was huge. He didn't just make the casual fan want to tune-in he conned all the hardcores and "experts" into thinking he would go out gung-ho trying to smash Valuev out.

Instead he had a 12 round game plan in place all along - which he pulled off. Great stuff.

So he's a total hypocrit and never had any plans on bringing excitement to the division at all

No he fought a smart fight against a guy way too big for him.

I'm sure you'll see some excitement when he fights guys that are KO-able.

You know guys like china-chin Wlad.

[killersheep]

I'm no Haye fan, but he deserved to win imo. Valuev is awful, but he was a foot taller and seven stones heavier and some of the people that don't acknowledge that a s afactor in the fight are very naive. If both guys were the same size and had the skills they have, Haye would've walked it!

...But Haye is crap

Oh yeah I agree with you on that. If Valuev was 6 ft 3 he wouldn't get past the first round of a Prizefighter competition let alone fight for a world title.

I don't really have a problem with Haye winning, I mean Valuev was shit. But let's be real, Haye did no more than Holyfield did, he did no more than Ruiz did in their first fight either. In those cases Valuev got the decisions purely because of his freakish appearance imo and the fact that he was better for the heavyweight division.

Right now though, we all know Valuev sucks and he's not marketable any more whereas Haye with his cockyness and buff body certainly creates headlines so predictably he gets the nod in a close fight.

But he shouldn't be engaging in any self praise over this performance. He fought a TERRIBLE opponent in Valuev who I'd pick at least a dozen other heavies to beat him easily and instead he just ran around for 3 minutes and then landed a token punch before the bell. It was pathetic and in the light of all his smacktalk just emphasised what a bullshitter Haye is.

He will get SMASHED by either Klitschko, he just won't have any answers for either of them, and they will just take him slowly take him apart and dismantle him, it will be a joy to see.

I'm not convinced he even gets that far though. I think John Ruiz has a real chance at beating him, maybe even stopping him.

Or maybe showed how smart he is.

Look at the interest in the fight, it was huge. He didn't just make the casual fan want to tune-in he conned all the hardcores and "experts" into thinking he would go out gung-ho trying to smash Valuev out.

Instead he had a 12 round game plan in place all along - which he pulled off. Great stuff.

I know I only have the American perspective here, and I'm sure it was huge in the UK and Germany, but in the US the PPV was cancelled because of lack of interest.

[Kev]

Oh yeah I agree with you on that. If Valuev was 6 ft 3 he wouldn't get past the first round of a Prizefighter competition let alone fight for a world title.

I don't really have a problem with Haye winning, I mean Valuev was shit. But let's be real, Haye did no more than Holyfield did, he did no more than Ruiz did in their first fight either. In those cases Valuev got the decisions purely because of his freakish appearance imo and the fact that he was better for the heavyweight division.

Right now though, we all know Valuev sucks and he's not marketable any more whereas Haye with his cockyness and buff body certainly creates headlines so predictably he gets the nod in a close fight.

But he shouldn't be engaging in any self praise over this performance. He fought a TERRIBLE opponent in Valuev who I'd pick at least a dozen other heavies to beat him easily and instead he just ran around for 3 minutes and then landed a token punch before the bell. It was pathetic and in the light of all his smacktalk just emphasised what a bullshitter Haye is.

He will get SMASHED by either Klitschko, he just won't have any answers for either of them, and they will just take him slowly take him apart and dismantle him, it will be a joy to see.

I'm not convinced he even gets that far though. I think John Ruiz has a real chance at beating him, maybe even stopping him.

Or maybe showed how smart he is.

Look at the interest in the fight, it was huge. He didn't just make the casual fan want to tune-in he conned all the hardcores and "experts" into thinking he would go out gung-ho trying to smash Valuev out.

Instead he had a 12 round game plan in place all along - which he pulled off. Great stuff.

I know I only have the American perspective here, and I'm sure it was huge in the UK and Germany, but in the US the PPV was cancelled because of lack of interest.

haha priceless. You guys got off lightly

[El Kabong]

Bilbo, Wlad has stated that he's going to carry Haye into the 12th round and then KO him.....of course Booth could spoil that plan as you have suggested.

Do you guys think Haye will try to fight Ruiz the same way he fought Valuev

[Fenster]

Oh yeah I agree with you on that. If Valuev was 6 ft 3 he wouldn't get past the first round of a Prizefighter competition let alone fight for a world title.

I don't really have a problem with Haye winning, I mean Valuev was shit. But let's be real, Haye did no more than Holyfield did, he did no more than Ruiz did in their first fight either. In those cases Valuev got the decisions purely because of his freakish appearance imo and the fact that he was better for the heavyweight division.

Right now though, we all know Valuev sucks and he's not marketable any more whereas Haye with his cockyness and buff body certainly creates headlines so predictably he gets the nod in a close fight.

But he shouldn't be engaging in any self praise over this performance. He fought a TERRIBLE opponent in Valuev who I'd pick at least a dozen other heavies to beat him easily and instead he just ran around for 3 minutes and then landed a token punch before the bell. It was pathetic and in the light of all his smacktalk just emphasised what a bullshitter Haye is.

He will get SMASHED by either Klitschko, he just won't have any answers for either of them, and they will just take him slowly take him apart and dismantle him, it will be a joy to see.

I'm not convinced he even gets that far though. I think John Ruiz has a real chance at beating him, maybe even stopping him.

Or maybe showed how smart he is.

Look at the interest in the fight, it was huge. He didn't just make the casual fan want to tune-in he conned all the hardcores and "experts" into thinking he would go out gung-ho trying to smash Valuev out.

Instead he had a 12 round game plan in place all along - which he pulled off. Great stuff.

I know I only have the American perspective here, and I'm sure it was huge in the UK and Germany, but in the US the PPV was cancelled because of lack of interest.

It's a HUGE story over here (i'm surprised how big it is). Been on the news all day before they even get to the sports section.

We already knew it wasn't big news in the States. How could it have been?

But look at all the internet forums. Did the Dawson-Johnson fight even go ahead last night? You wouldn't have thought it