Haye really did break his hand!!

[rjj tszyu]

Based on past events should I NOT question whether he was truly hurt or not?? I mean the "marketing genius" all of you think he is, MAYBE just MAYBE would he say "I broke my hand" because he didn't KO Valuev? You know, just to sort of keep this aura of being a power puncher and having his power carry to heavyweight Or maybe he used it as an excuse to why it was such a boring fight knowing he always said "You'll never catch me in a boring fight".


Should I just take Haye's word for it?

I'll tell you what Lyle, can you find me a fighter who has reached the top and never been in a boring fight. Haye has been in 2 boring fights. How many has Wlad been in?

Also find me a fighter that doesn't sell himself to the public. Haye makes noise yes, but so far so good, he has won all his HW fights so far 3 out of 3 and he is already world champion.

Haye needs credit whether you want to give it him or not, he has had 24 fights, been undisputed Cruiserweight champion of the world and is now WBA HW champ. Thats pretty impressive in my eyes anyway.

[El Kabong]

OK Adam, I'll be a sucker and totally forget about Haye "injuring his back" while shaddow boxing just to weasel his way out of a fight vs Wladimir

OK rjjtszyu, I've said it before I'll say it again read this very slowly and carefully WHAT HAYE DID AT CRUISERWEIGHT MEANS JACK SHIT AT HEAVYWEIGHT!

Wladimir doesn't have to back up his mouth because he doesn't run it....not everyone is going to have David Haye's problems because they don't run their fucking mouths! David runs his mouth, draws attention to himself and then when he can't back up his talk his fans come to his aid or he MAY have broken his hand...I mean correct me if I'm wrong Haye does have 2 hands correct Why not use the other one??

[Kel]

OK Adam, I'll be a sucker and totally forget about Haye "injuring his back" while shaddow boxing just to weasel his way out of a fight vs Wladimir

OK rjjtszyu, I've said it before I'll say it again read this very slowly and carefully WHAT HAYE DID AT CRUISERWEIGHT MEANS JACK SHIT AT HEAVYWEIGHT!

Wladimir doesn't have to back up his mouth because he doesn't run it....not everyone is going to have David Haye's problems because they don't run their fucking mouths! David runs his mouth, draws attention to himself and then when he can't back up his talk his fans come to his aid or he MAY have broken his hand...I mean correct me if I'm wrong Haye does have 2 hands correct Why not use the other one??

Sod the Klits for a single thread, jesus!

[AdamGB]

OK Adam, I'll be a sucker and totally forget about Haye "injuring his back" while shaddow boxing just to weasel his way out of a fight vs Wladimir

OK rjjtszyu, I've said it before I'll say it again read this very slowly and carefully WHAT HAYE DID AT CRUISERWEIGHT MEANS JACK SHIT AT HEAVYWEIGHT!

Wladimir doesn't have to back up his mouth because he doesn't run it....not everyone is going to have David Haye's problems because they don't run their fucking mouths! David runs his mouth, draws attention to himself and then when he can't back up his talk his fans come to his aid or he MAY have broken his hand...I mean correct me if I'm wrong Haye does have 2 hands correct Why not use the other one??

Sod the Klits for a single thread, jesus!

it doesn't matter if this thread is about Haye injuring (or not... ) his hand in a bout with Valuev... Lyle cannot resist dragging people into the trenches with him and his tired arguments, no matter how irrelevant they are to the thread's topic.

Wlad MUST be discussed though...

[skel1983]

[rjj tszyu]

OK Adam, I'll be a sucker and totally forget about Haye "injuring his back" while shaddow boxing just to weasel his way out of a fight vs Wladimir

OK rjjtszyu, I've said it before I'll say it again read this very slowly and carefully WHAT HAYE DID AT CRUISERWEIGHT MEANS JACK SHIT AT HEAVYWEIGHT!

Wladimir doesn't have to back up his mouth because he doesn't run it....not everyone is going to have David Haye's problems because they don't run their fucking mouths! David runs his mouth, draws attention to himself and then when he can't back up his talk his fans come to his aid or he MAY have broken his hand...I mean correct me if I'm wrong Haye does have 2 hands correct Why not use the other one??

He did at the end, his left that landed on Valuev had him staggering round like Wlad was doing against Brewster just before he fell on his face like a demented retard.

Also if what he did at Cruiserweight means Jack shit why do the likes of Mayweather get to move up and fight De la Hoya at 154lbs when he had never fought there before? Just because someone once weighed less doesn't mean they have never fought before.

[Wayne]

OK Adam, I'll be a sucker and totally forget about Haye "injuring his back" while shaddow boxing just to weasel his way out of a fight vs Wladimir

OK rjjtszyu, I've said it before I'll say it again read this very slowly and carefully WHAT HAYE DID AT CRUISERWEIGHT MEANS JACK SHIT AT HEAVYWEIGHT!

Wladimir doesn't have to back up his mouth because he doesn't run it....not everyone is going to have David Haye's problems because they don't run their fucking mouths! David runs his mouth, draws attention to himself and then when he can't back up his talk his fans come to his aid or he MAY have broken his hand...I mean correct me if I'm wrong Haye does have 2 hands correct Why not use the other one??

He did at the end, his left that landed on Valuev had him staggering round like Wlad was doing against Brewster just before he fell on his face like a demented retard.

Also if what he did at Cruiserweight means Jack shit why do the likes of Mayweather get to move up and fight De la Hoya at 154lbs when he had never fought there before? Just because someone once weighed less doesn't mean they have never fought before.

I see Lyle's point here. Cruiserweight is nowhere near as thick as the Welterweight division. WW is arguably the thickest in all of boxing, whereas Cruiser is relatively easier to dominate. Other than Haye, who was there?

[rjj tszyu]

OK Adam, I'll be a sucker and totally forget about Haye "injuring his back" while shaddow boxing just to weasel his way out of a fight vs Wladimir

OK rjjtszyu, I've said it before I'll say it again read this very slowly and carefully WHAT HAYE DID AT CRUISERWEIGHT MEANS JACK SHIT AT HEAVYWEIGHT!

Wladimir doesn't have to back up his mouth because he doesn't run it....not everyone is going to have David Haye's problems because they don't run their fucking mouths! David runs his mouth, draws attention to himself and then when he can't back up his talk his fans come to his aid or he MAY have broken his hand...I mean correct me if I'm wrong Haye does have 2 hands correct Why not use the other one??

He did at the end, his left that landed on Valuev had him staggering round like Wlad was doing against Brewster just before he fell on his face like a demented retard.

Also if what he did at Cruiserweight means Jack shit why do the likes of Mayweather get to move up and fight De la Hoya at 154lbs when he had never fought there before? Just because someone once weighed less doesn't mean they have never fought before.

I see Lyle's point here. Cruiserweight is nowhere near as thick as the Welterweight division. WW is arguably the thickest in all of boxing, whereas Cruiser is relatively easier to dominate. Other than Haye, who was there?

I used Mayweather as an example. Throughout history fighters have moved up in weight and got a title shot quick. And to be fair Haye was undisputed CW, Mayweather was only WBC (and Ring) champ.

Fair enough Cruiser was not stacked with talent but neither is HW.

[AdamGB]

The BBC are now also reporting that Haye's hand is 'badly disfigured'.

Does anybody have links to the post fight stuff? I'd like to see it for myself.

[chip]

saw his hand on GMTV this morning looks really swelled compared to the other one which he held up for comparison

[AdamGB]

OK Adam, I'll be a sucker and totally forget about Haye "injuring his back" while shaddow boxing just to weasel his way out of a fight vs Wladimir

No, by all means remember that David Haye lied and pulled out of a fight because he wasn't going to get paid.

If people who aren't David Haye or associated with David Haye of even David Haye fans (if you look a few threads down you'll see conrad posting straight after the fight saying he thought Haye lost) say that they have seen haye's hand and it is fucked then automatically writing them off is a bit stupid really.

Maybe it was a fake hand.

Fair enough nobody saw Haye shadow box and break his back (because we all know he didn't) but all but the blind could see a punch in round 2 that could have potentially broken a hand...

[El Kabong]

No, by all means remember that David Haye lied and pulled out of a fight because he wasn't going to get paid.

I was just pointing out that it wouldn't be the first time he would have made up an injury and therefor I choose to question whether or not he actually broke his hand, especially seeing how bad the fight was and how low his punch output was.

I mean, I would ASSUME Haye cares about what boxing fans think of him ergo he might try and make up an excuse as to why he didn't knockout Valuev. It isn't that far fetched

[rjj tszyu]

No, by all means remember that David Haye lied and pulled out of a fight because he wasn't going to get paid.

I was just pointing out that it wouldn't be the first time he would have made up an injury and therefor I choose to question whether or not he actually broke his hand, especially seeing how bad the fight was and how low his punch output was.

I mean, I would ASSUME Haye cares about what boxing fans think of him ergo he might try and make up an excuse as to why he didn't knockout Valuev. It isn't that far fetched

Yes but you blatantly made out that the people who saw Haye today on Sky sports news were liars.

[El Kabong]

Yes but you blatantly made out that the people who saw Haye today on Sky sports news were liars.

I said "I don't believe anything David Haye says"....if that encompasses Sky Sports then so be it, they were complicit in running stories about his "injured back"....so fine

[skel1983]

Yes but you blatantly made out that the people who saw Haye today on Sky sports news were liars.

I said "I don't believe anything David Haye says"....if that encompasses Sky Sports then so be it, they were complicit in running stories about his "injured back"....so fine

I think the back story was bullshit, it was setanta who ran it not sky. But Haye wouldnt get paid if he had fought Wlad is that to hard to understand??