Haye did what he had to do to win the fight.FACT!

[Kev]

...I think we saw what Haye brings to the heavyweight division last night. Why would he try anything different vs anyone else

Did Haye land right hands and left hooks last night? Of course he did.

Now.. Wlad has a china-chin, right? Haye has a seriously hard punch, right?

Seriuosly hard punch hits china-chin it's all over. Wlad's china-chin will be like a red rag to a bull for Haye. He knows he only needs one semi-punch to end it.

Stop acting dumb, Lyle.

So you don't see a fight between Haye and Wlad going exactly the same way as Wlad vs Chagaev, Wlad vs Brock, Wlad vs Ibragimov or Wlad vs Rahman?

I see NOTHING in Haye to suggest anyting other than a routine 8 round jab and dismantle job for Wladimir.

Ok Haye can bang a bit, AT CRUISER against GLASS JAWED world champs, havn't Enzo and Jean Marc been sparked a bunch of times

He hasn't proven world class power at heavyweight, Monte Barret routinely gets blown out quicker than Haye managed.

I imagine Arreola, both Klitschko's, Solis, and maybe even Dimitresko all punch harder than Haye.

I'd love to see Haye in with Thomas Adamek, because I think Adamek would smoke him.

[ICB]

...I think we saw what Haye brings to the heavyweight division last night. Why would he try anything different vs anyone else

Did Haye land right hands and left hooks last night? Of course he did.

Now.. Wlad has a china-chin, right? Haye has a seriously hard punch, right?

Seriuosly hard punch hits china-chin it's all over. Wlad's china-chin will be like a red rag to a bull for Haye. He knows he only needs one semi-punch to end it.

Stop acting dumb, Lyle.

So you don't see a fight between Haye and Wlad going exactly the same way as Wlad vs Chagaev, Wlad vs Brock, Wlad vs Ibragimov or Wlad vs Rahman?

I see NOTHING in Haye to suggest anyting other than a routine 8 round jab and dismantle job for Wladimir.

Ok Haye can bang a bit, AT CRUISER against GLASS JAWED world champs, havn't Enzo and Jean Marc been sparked a bunch of times

He hasn't proven world class power at heavyweight, Monte Barret routinely gets blown out quicker than Haye managed.

I imagine Arreola, both Klitschko's, Solis, and maybe even Dimitresko all punch harder than Haye.

I'd love to see Haye in with Thomas Adamek, because I think Adamek would smoke him.

Jean Marc Mormeck was only stopped by O'Neil Bell, who is a pretty big banger. And also Giacobbe Fragomeni is pretty durable, and David Haye stopped him in good fashion.

To be honest im not that big on the David Haye, he does have many flaws. But that does make him exciting, i think he has a chance against Wladimir Klitschko, just because of Wladimir Klitschko's weak chin, but then again David Haye's chin isn't exactly solid either.

And i don't think he has any real chance against Vitali Klitschko, unless Vitali Klitschko is injured during the fight, which isn't totally out of the question.

I can't really fault David Haye for yesterday, he done what was needed. And no one would really look good against Nikolai Valuev, and he did break his power hand which didn't help matters either, its good to see a fresh exciting Heavyweight champion and one especially from Britain. But i don't see David Haye's reign lasting long.

[El Kabong]

I'm allowed to call you limey bastards as my being American doesn't change my race, and limey isn't a racist term....you Brits and your PC bullcrap

[skel1983]

...I think we saw what Haye brings to the heavyweight division last night. Why would he try anything different vs anyone else

Did Haye land right hands and left hooks last night? Of course he did.

Now.. Wlad has a china-chin, right? Haye has a seriously hard punch, right?

Seriuosly hard punch hits china-chin it's all over. Wlad's china-chin will be like a red rag to a bull for Haye. He knows he only needs one semi-punch to end it.

Stop acting dumb, Lyle.

So you don't see a fight between Haye and Wlad going exactly the same way as Wlad vs Chagaev, Wlad vs Brock, Wlad vs Ibragimov or Wlad vs Rahman?

I see NOTHING in Haye to suggest anyting other than a routine 8 round jab and dismantle job for Wladimir.

Ok Haye can bang a bit, AT CRUISER against GLASS JAWED world champs, havn't Enzo and Jean Marc been sparked a bunch of times

He hasn't proven world class power at heavyweight, Monte Barret routinely gets blown out quicker than Haye managed.

I imagine Arreola, both Klitschko's, Solis, and maybe even Dimitresko all punch harder than Haye.

I'd love to see Haye in with Thomas Adamek, because I think Adamek would smoke him.

Mormeck has been ko'd a bunch of times No once before, Haye also stopped the current WBC champion at 200lbs who has never been down before the Haye fight.

Haye would destroy Arreola imo, make him look silly.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Lyle... I think Ademek/ Haye would be a great fight too. I don't quite know how to call that one. I'm quite impressed with Ademek.

But in regards Hayes power...? I'm sorry Lyle, i'm calling you out on this one...
Q: How many boxers have managed to make Valuev do a silly dance?
A:

[rjj tszyu]

Lyle... I think Ademek/ Haye would be a great fight too. I don't quite know how to call that one. I'm quite impressed with Ademek.

But in regards Hayes power...? I'm sorry Lyle, i'm calling you out on this one...
Q: How many boxers have managed to make Valuev do a silly dance?
A:

I know the answer!!

[El Kabong]

Lyle... I think Ademek/ Haye would be a great fight too. I don't quite know how to call that one. I'm quite impressed with Ademek.

But in regards Hayes power...? I'm sorry Lyle, i'm calling you out on this one...
Q: How many boxers have managed to make Valuev do a silly dance?
A:

A: Valuev has never fought a legitimate proven HEAVYWEIGHT power puncher, so 1 Haye the cruiserweight power puncher.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Boooo Lyle Bad answer.

ANY Heavyweight has enough power to hurt someone if they commit to it.

Case in point Jameel Mcline put Samuel Peter on his arse a number of times when Vitali or Wladimir couldn't







P.S Bil, i'm talking about power. Not resume... Again (as ever), your twisting the argument in your favour.

[Kev]

Lyle... I think Ademek/ Haye would be a great fight too. I don't quite know how to call that one. I'm quite impressed with Ademek.

But in regards Hayes power...? I'm sorry Lyle, i'm calling you out on this one...
Q: How many boxers have managed to make Valuev do a silly dance?
A:

But look at the guys Valuev has fought though!

An almost 50 year old Evander Holyfield - who most felt beat Valuev
An old mediocre John Ruiz - who everyone felt beat Valuev first time around
An awful Sergei Lyakhovich who just switched off
Ruslan Chagaev who beat him handily
Larry Donald?
Clifford Ettiene?
Monte Barrett
Francois Bergeron

His resume is frankly appalling, he's fought maybe 4 fighters in his whole career who wern't awful and you could argue he lost to all of them.

None of them are punchers, when was the last time Ruiz, Holyfield, Chagev etc knocked out ANY decent name opponent?

Haye's performance was embarrassing imo, he did nothing against arguably the most limited fighter in any weight class.

Roy Jones could move up now and pitch a shutout against Valuev.

Haye just managed to take advantage of the fact that he got to Valuev before any top 10 heavyweight did. A decent heavyweight would demolish Valuev.

[Fenster]

...I think we saw what Haye brings to the heavyweight division last night. Why would he try anything different vs anyone else

Did Haye land right hands and left hooks last night? Of course he did.

Now.. Wlad has a china-chin, right? Haye has a seriously hard punch, right?

Seriuosly hard punch hits china-chin it's all over. Wlad's china-chin will be like a red rag to a bull for Haye. He knows he only needs one semi-punch to end it.

Stop acting dumb, Lyle.

So you don't see a fight between Haye and Wlad going exactly the same way as Wlad vs Chagaev, Wlad vs Brock, Wlad vs Ibragimov or Wlad vs Rahman?

I see NOTHING in Haye to suggest anyting other than a routine 8 round jab and dismantle job for Wladimir.

Ok Haye can bang a bit, AT CRUISER against GLASS JAWED world champs, havn't Enzo and Jean Marc been sparked a bunch of times

He hasn't proven world class power at heavyweight, Monte Barret routinely gets blown out quicker than Haye managed.

I imagine Arreola, both Klitschko's, Solis, and maybe even Dimitresko all punch harder than Haye.

I'd love to see Haye in with Thomas Adamek, because I think Adamek would smoke him.

OK Haye don't punch hard, he'd get beaten easily by Wlad and all that. I don't give a fuck.

I'm explaining to Lyle why Haye would be more exciting against a chinny fighter. You and Lyle don't think Haye punches very hard but i'm pretty sure Haye does, so it wont stop him trying to shatter Wlad's china-chin, hence win or lose you have a more exciting fight. Simple as.

[El Kabong]

I'm explaining to Lyle why Haye would be more exciting against a chinny fighter. You and Lyle don't think Haye punches very hard but i'm pretty sure Haye does, so it wont stop him trying to shatter Wlad's china-chin, hence win or lose you have a more exciting fight. Simple as.

....you say that now, but when Haye gets a mouthful of knuckle sandwich I'm thinking he's going to rethink trying to hit Wladimir and start thinking "I need to cover up better"

[Fenster]

I'm explaining to Lyle why Haye would be more exciting against a chinny fighter. You and Lyle don't think Haye punches very hard but i'm pretty sure Haye does, so it wont stop him trying to shatter Wlad's china-chin, hence win or lose you have a more exciting fight. Simple as.

....you say that now, but when Haye gets a mouthful of knuckle sandwich I'm thinking he's going to rethink trying to hit Wladimir and start thinking "I need to cover up better"

Or he might think "I need to get to that china-chin quick before I eat another knuckle sandwich".. so either way it will be a more exciting performance.