Haye did what he had to do to win the fight.FACT!

[BIG H]

Thompson wasn't a big deal. Haye fought him when he was like 56 years old or something, I'm exaggerating of course but he was well past his prime.

He beat Eubank, but Eubank was a middleweight moving up to cruiser at the end of his career after losing 3 fights to Collins and Calzaghe.

A well past his prime Eubank should have knocked Thompson out in the first fight and was winning in the second until stopped on a cut.

Thompson was a very average world champ, below even Enzo Maccerinelli.

Haye fought him in his 11th fight for fucks sake. Thompson was coming off a stunning KO of Sebastian Rothman. How many fighters can you name that fought a guy of Thompson's ilk so early in their career?

Even if you think Thompson was shit () he still had mixed and won at world-class level for cruiserweight. He was a DANGEROUS opponent for anyone!!!

Thompson would have destroyed Maccarinelli at any point (Enzo wouldn't be allowed near him though. That's the difference between fighters like Haye and protected ones).

It wasn't that big of a deal Fenster, Marty Rogan fought Audley Harrison in his 11th fight and Matt Skelton in his twelth beating both.

At the time Thompson wasn't considered any better than either of them, he was a big underdog against Haye.

His 'spectacular' win over Rothman was spectacular only in that he was getting his ass smashed as usual and Rothmann wasn't a world class fighter by any means.

Carl Thompson was 40 years old when he fought Haye, probably the same kind of level as John Thaxton now, or a Danny Williams or Matt Skelton.

A tough challenge and a step up for sure but not someone Haye was expected to slip up against.

Nathan Cleverley beat Toney Oakey in his 13th fight, who was as good as a 40 year old Carl Thompson.

Even the mediocre Tyson Fury fought John McDermott in his 8th fight.

Thompson wasn't expected to be a harder challenge than any of the fights above (except McDermott maybe) and it was a big upset when Haye got smashed.

Sure he's learnt from it, but it was still the kind of slip up that most great fighters don't have on their records.

I don't want to stick up for Haye, but look at the Top p4p fighters and the current world champs and see how many are unbeaten (and how many lost to much lesser fighters)

All of these guys have lost fights (not all to crap fighters admitedly)

Pac (Lost to crap fighters)
JMM
Wlad (Lost to crap fighters)
Mosely
B-Hop (Lost to Jermain Taylor )


Hagler lost 2 fights he shouldn't have lost early in his career, Monzon lost lots early on, Duran lost to Laing etc etc

Just a few off the top of my head.

[Kev]

Haye fought him in his 11th fight for fucks sake. Thompson was coming off a stunning KO of Sebastian Rothman. How many fighters can you name that fought a guy of Thompson's ilk so early in their career?

Even if you think Thompson was shit () he still had mixed and won at world-class level for cruiserweight. He was a DANGEROUS opponent for anyone!!!

Thompson would have destroyed Maccarinelli at any point (Enzo wouldn't be allowed near him though. That's the difference between fighters like Haye and protected ones).

It wasn't that big of a deal Fenster, Marty Rogan fought Audley Harrison in his 11th fight and Matt Skelton in his twelth beating both.

At the time Thompson wasn't considered any better than either of them, he was a big underdog against Haye.

His 'spectacular' win over Rothman was spectacular only in that he was getting his ass smashed as usual and Rothmann wasn't a world class fighter by any means.

Carl Thompson was 40 years old when he fought Haye, probably the same kind of level as John Thaxton now, or a Danny Williams or Matt Skelton.

A tough challenge and a step up for sure but not someone Haye was expected to slip up against.

Nathan Cleverley beat Toney Oakey in his 13th fight, who was as good as a 40 year old Carl Thompson.

Even the mediocre Tyson Fury fought John McDermott in his 8th fight.

Thompson wasn't expected to be a harder challenge than any of the fights above (except McDermott maybe) and it was a big upset when Haye got smashed.

Sure he's learnt from it, but it was still the kind of slip up that most great fighters don't have on their records.

I don't want to stick up for Haye, but look at the Top p4p fighters and the current world champs and see how many are unbeaten (and how many lost to much lesser fighters)

All of these guys have lost fights (not all to crap fighters admitedly)

Pac (Lost to crap fighters)
JMM
Wlad (Lost to crap fighters)
Mosely
B-Hop (Lost to Jermain Taylor )


Hagler lost 2 fights he shouldn't have lost early in his career, Monzon lost lots early on, Duran lost to Laing etc etc

Just a few off the top of my head.

Yeah I'll give you Manny and Wlad. They both lost to relatively mediocre opposition that they shouldn't have but were able to learn from their mistakes.

Maybe Amir Khan is doing the same.

Haye may go on to prove himself (I doubt it though) but you are right, one loss several years ago early in his doesn't necessarily mean he is rubbish forever.

I do believe he will always have that vulnerability though and once he's knocked out again his career will rapidly end and he'll get ko'd in successive fights like Enzo and Jermain.

I reckon he scrapes past Ruiz, gets destroyed by a Klitschko, then has a win over a mediocre opponent and then gets knocked out two more times before calling it a day.

so 5 fights left in his career in which he goes 2-3 and get's ko'd three times.

[El Kabong]

I'm happy that you guys think so highly of David Haye.....it's going to make it more satisfying when he gets KTFO by somebody and I say "somebody" because who knows how Haye will handle the likes of John Ruiz much less either Klitschko brother.

Kirkland yes Wlad has lost 3 times in 56 fights.....David Haye should be so lucky to have a record like that.


If Haye continues to fight like he did vs Valuev I can tell you TONY THOMPSON will beat David Haye

[Memphis]

If he ever fights a guy with a 17 stone head again thats 18 feet up in the air I reckon its fair to say he'll fight the same way.

Against your boy Wlad he's gonna be blazing and Lyle is shitting himself about the prospect already

Brialliant.

[El Kabong]

If he ever fights a guy with a 17 stone head again thats 18 feet up in the air I reckon its fair to say he'll fight the same way.

Against your boy Wlad he's gonna be blazing and Lyle is shitting himself about the prospect already

Brialliant.

.....oh yes, I am so scared at the possibility that David Haye might actually fight Wladimir as he's always threatened to do

David Haye does have to get past the dangerous John Ruiz though

[Memphis]

Go on Lyle, admit it, until Wlad lays him spark out your little pooper is going to be winking 20 to the dozen

[rjj tszyu]

Go on Lyle, admit it, until Wlad lays him spark out your little pooper is going to be winking 20 to the dozen

He doesn't need to admit it it's already obvious he's in blind panic.