Who else could replicate Haye's performance?

[Kev]

I always thought Calderon could beat Paulie Malignaggi. Valuev? Maybe but he would have to be real negative.

haha absolutely.

A lot would depend on whether the inevitable knockdowns were rule as legitimate or pushes.

But I think if Calderon just wanted to stay away for 12 rounds he probably could.

If guys like kessler ,Calderon and any other active fighters on your list , actually thought Valuev was that easy to beat , ( prior to the Haye fight ) then why didnt they step up and fight him.
We all know the money is with the HW's.
Basically yes , Valuev was poor , but if he was that easy to beat , then Kessler etc had the chance to step up and challenge him.
They didn't , so why did they not Bilbo please explain why ?

There is a minimum weight limit which is why they wouldn't move up and it would massively interfere with a boxers career (see how moving up to heavyweight effecitvely ruined Roy Jones) but there is no reason why any of those fighters mentioned couldn't last 12 rounds with Valuev.

John Ruiz came desperately close to beating Valuev twice, the first time he was blatently robbed yet this same Ruiz was beaten handily (completely schooled) by two middleweights in Toney and Jones.

A prime Roy Jones would dance rings around Valuev literally, the Toney that beat Holyfield would just beat him up.

Calzaghe is smart enough and fast enough to keep out way and Bernard Hopkins wouldn't be troubled by him at all.

Of the fighters I mentioned I'd be amazed if Valuev could stop ANY of them and I think most would do enough to win.

He's just shockingly poor. His size isn't an advantage to him because he's slow to the point of almost being immobile and he hits pathetically light for his size.

When was the last time he KO'd anybody? Even unknowns like Francois Bergerom can hang with Valuev.

He's only fought C grade heavyweights. Neither Chagaev, Ruiz or Holyfield were remotely near to being players in the heavyweight scene yet they represent Valuevs biggest opponents.

We saw how Chagaev did against a real heavyweight earlier this year and Holyfield has been a walking corpse for years. Certainly Ruiz and Holyfield are just journeymen at this stage in their careers and Chagaev is not really top 10 he just got promoted by cirtue of fighting Valuev.

Even Matt Skelton gave a good account of himself against Chagaev which says it all about how dangerous he was. Marty Rogan knocked Skleton the fuck out.

Valuev = pants.

[ninjaspy3]

I think the argument might be flawed. While the smaller guys on that list would be able to out manuver Valuev easily, I seriously doubt their ability to actually hit him enough to win. And if they did hit Valuev, Im pretty sure he wouldnt notice much.

[Mikkel_K]

There is a minimum weight limit which is why they wouldn't move up and it would massively interfere with a boxers career (see how moving up to heavyweight effecitvely ruined Roy Jones) but there is no reason why any of those fighters mentioned couldn't last 12 rounds with Valuev.

John Ruiz came desperately close to beating Valuev twice, the first time he was blatently robbed yet this same Ruiz was beaten handily (completely schooled) by two middleweights in Toney and Jones.

A prime Roy Jones would dance rings around Valuev literally, the Toney that beat Holyfield would just beat him up.

I was actually just about to post on that weight limit, as many of the fighters named would likely be much less effective (read: helluva lot slower) at 200+.

Imagine Ivan Calderon weighing in at 200

Other than that, I agree. Any decent cruiser with smartness and stamina should be able to beat Valuev the same way. Hell, any decent LHW could probably move up (RJJ style) and win as well.

[Kev]

There is a minimum weight limit which is why they wouldn't move up and it would massively interfere with a boxers career (see how moving up to heavyweight effecitvely ruined Roy Jones) but there is no reason why any of those fighters mentioned couldn't last 12 rounds with Valuev.

John Ruiz came desperately close to beating Valuev twice, the first time he was blatently robbed yet this same Ruiz was beaten handily (completely schooled) by two middleweights in Toney and Jones.

A prime Roy Jones would dance rings around Valuev literally, the Toney that beat Holyfield would just beat him up.

I was actually just about to post on that weight limit, as many of the fighters named would likely be much less effective (read: helluva lot slower) at 200+.

Imagine Ivan Calderon weighing in at 200

Other than that, I agree. Any decent cruiser with smartness and stamina should be able to beat Valuev the same way. Hell, any decent LHW could probably move up (RJJ style) and win as well.

Yeah my point isn't about lightweight boxers bulking up and trying to fight Valuev though, I'm just asking if they could survive?

I mean put a Bernard Hopkins weighing in at maybe 180 lbs how would he do? He may not land enough to win but I have no doubt he could survive the 12 rounds and not get touched.

That is scandalous though, I mean a real heavyweight a Klitschko, a Lewis, Ali, Foreman, Tyson etc would kill B Hop. But Valuev is soooo slow that if somebody wanted to just survive and not get hit, most of the lower weight guys could do it.

I really think even guys like Floyd and Mosely weighing in at 150 lbs could go 12 rounds if they just tried to survive. How would he hit them? Yes they would have to run the whole night and fight with Haye like negativtiy but my point is I believe most of them would come through unscathed.

You couldn't say that about practically any other heavyweight in history.

Hayes win was entirely expected, it was spectactular, impressive or even acceptable imo. He should have dominated every round but instead he fought a fight that apart from rattling him in the last round could have gone either way.

Ruiz, Holyfield and Chagaev all did a better job imo than Haye.

[OumaFan]

I doubt Calderon would bulk up past 112 or so. Why would he?

[Kev]

I doubt Calderon would bulk up past 112 or so. Why would he?

You're cracking me up with these Calderon quips Ouma.

I'd LOVE to see this fight. Make it a really big ring so Calderon has room to run and watch Valuev aimlessly amble around like a giant zombie from Shaun of the Dead whilst Calderon just darts in between his legs and dances around him.

If they made below the belt shots legal for this fight only Calderon could win.