why the hate

[rjj tszyu]

I don't see how anyone can say he won that fight easily. Aside from rocking him in the 12th round neither fighter did anything!

It was the most pants fight I've ever seen.

And he didn't fight a perfect fight. He performed no better than John Ruiz or Evander Holyfield did, in fact I think they both beat Valuev better than he did, but neither was an attractive proposition for the heavyweight division so they both got robbed on the scorecards.

Valuev has only fought 4 fighters who wern't complete bums and all four of them beat him, but only Haye and Chagaev got the decisions because Holyfield and Ruiz are unpopular champions for the image of heavyweight boxing.

Valuev was a manufactured champ like Primo Carnera, who got the belt because he's a freakshow and people wanted to see him.

Now Haye has come along and is more marketable so he gets the win over Valuev despite doing a worse job than Ruiz and Holyfield against him.

I don't object to Haye winning, Valuev should have 4 losses on his record at least I just don't think Haye should get much credit for it.

It is less impressive than Amir Khan beating Andreas Kotelnik or Barrera imo.

Valuev is a garbage fighter.

John Ruiz will be a tougher test for Haye.

once again bilbo u make me believe my own thoughts are bullshit cause u make so much senese,lol, too be honest with u i didnt see the ruiz fight i only saw the holyfield fight, and yeah hoyfield made it look a better fight than haye but he didnt make valuev miss like like haye did. can i ask u who u thought won the fight haye vs valuev and why

I think Haye just about deserved to win. But I think both John Ruiz in their first fight and Evander Holyfield beat him more impressively. Oh and Chagaev of course.

When a fighter loses to John Ruiz, Ruslan Chagaev and an almost 50 old Holyfield you know he ain't up to much.

Haye performed about as well as a nearly 50 Evander and John Ruiz, one of the maligned and mediocre champs in recent years.

All Haye proved was that he's not even close to being one of the top players in the division.

If he fights a Klitschko he loses as uneventfully and routinely as Rahman, Brock, Arreola, Chagaev etc did before him.

He brings nothing new to the table apart from a big mouth.

Odlanier Solis will be a bigger threat to the top guys than Haye. Even Thomas Adamek has as much chance of making an impression imo.

Haye is faster, punches harder and has more skill than everyone you have mentioned. FACT.

[Kev]

once again bilbo u make me believe my own thoughts are bullshit cause u make so much senese,lol, too be honest with u i didnt see the ruiz fight i only saw the holyfield fight, and yeah hoyfield made it look a better fight than haye but he didnt make valuev miss like like haye did. can i ask u who u thought won the fight haye vs valuev and why

I think Haye just about deserved to win. But I think both John Ruiz in their first fight and Evander Holyfield beat him more impressively. Oh and Chagaev of course.

When a fighter loses to John Ruiz, Ruslan Chagaev and an almost 50 old Holyfield you know he ain't up to much.

Haye performed about as well as a nearly 50 Evander and John Ruiz, one of the maligned and mediocre champs in recent years.

All Haye proved was that he's not even close to being one of the top players in the division.

If he fights a Klitschko he loses as uneventfully and routinely as Rahman, Brock, Arreola, Chagaev etc did before him.

He brings nothing new to the table apart from a big mouth.

Odlanier Solis will be a bigger threat to the top guys than Haye. Even Thomas Adamek has as much chance of making an impression imo.

Haye is faster, punches harder and has more skill than everyone you have mentioned. FACT.

Ruiz and Evander are jokes in the heavyweight divison. So is Larry Donald. Ruslan Chagaev is, as we saw against Wlad lightyears away from being the best at heavyweight.

Haye being faster, a bigger puncher (none of those guys are punchers) and having more skill is no big deal at all, for the supposed saviour of the heavyweight division.

Povetkin, Chambers, Solis and Dimitresko are all more promising prospects than Haye.

By the way, watch this clip fast forward to around the 4.30 mark and listen to the GERMAN crowd when Valuev gets the decision over Larry Donald. Even his OWN fans boo the crap out of the decision......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-MwR...eature=related

Let's make that 5 fights he's lost.

[rjj tszyu]

I think Haye just about deserved to win. But I think both John Ruiz in their first fight and Evander Holyfield beat him more impressively. Oh and Chagaev of course.

When a fighter loses to John Ruiz, Ruslan Chagaev and an almost 50 old Holyfield you know he ain't up to much.

Haye performed about as well as a nearly 50 Evander and John Ruiz, one of the maligned and mediocre champs in recent years.

All Haye proved was that he's not even close to being one of the top players in the division.

If he fights a Klitschko he loses as uneventfully and routinely as Rahman, Brock, Arreola, Chagaev etc did before him.

He brings nothing new to the table apart from a big mouth.

Odlanier Solis will be a bigger threat to the top guys than Haye. Even Thomas Adamek has as much chance of making an impression imo.

Haye is faster, punches harder and has more skill than everyone you have mentioned. FACT.

Ruiz and Evander are jokes in the heavyweight divison. So is Larry Donald. Ruslan Chagaev is, as we saw against Wlad lightyears away from being the best at heavyweight.

Haye being faster, a bigger puncher (none of those guys are punchers) and having more skill is no big deal at all, for the supposed saviour of the heavyweight division.

Povetkin, Chambers, Solis and Dimitresko are all more promising prospects than Haye.

By the way, watch this clip fast forward to around the 4.30 mark and listen to the GERMAN crowd when Valuev gets the decision over Larry Donald. Even his OWN fans boo the crap out of the decision......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-MwR...eature=related

Let's make that 5 fights he's lost.

What the fuck has that video got to do with Haye? And as for Povetkin, Chambers, Solis and Dimitrenko, if Haye fights them i'd be willing to bet he beats all 4, they are all shite.

Oh yeah and Haye is no longer just a prospect, he is THE Heavyweight Champion of the World.

[Kev]

Haye is faster, punches harder and has more skill than everyone you have mentioned. FACT.

Ruiz and Evander are jokes in the heavyweight divison. So is Larry Donald. Ruslan Chagaev is, as we saw against Wlad lightyears away from being the best at heavyweight.

Haye being faster, a bigger puncher (none of those guys are punchers) and having more skill is no big deal at all, for the supposed saviour of the heavyweight division.

Povetkin, Chambers, Solis and Dimitresko are all more promising prospects than Haye.

By the way, watch this clip fast forward to around the 4.30 mark and listen to the GERMAN crowd when Valuev gets the decision over Larry Donald. Even his OWN fans boo the crap out of the decision......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-MwR...eature=related
Let's make that 5 fights he's lost.

What the fuck has that video got to do with Haye? And as for Povetkin, Chambers, Solis and Dimitrenko, if Haye fights them i'd be willing to bet he beats all 4, they are all shite.

Oh yeah and Haye is no longer just a prospect, he is THE Heavyweight Champion of the World.

I'm not even sure he gets past John Ruiz.

[rjj tszyu]

Ruiz and Evander are jokes in the heavyweight divison. So is Larry Donald. Ruslan Chagaev is, as we saw against Wlad lightyears away from being the best at heavyweight.

Haye being faster, a bigger puncher (none of those guys are punchers) and having more skill is no big deal at all, for the supposed saviour of the heavyweight division.

Povetkin, Chambers, Solis and Dimitresko are all more promising prospects than Haye.

By the way, watch this clip fast forward to around the 4.30 mark and listen to the GERMAN crowd when Valuev gets the decision over Larry Donald. Even his OWN fans boo the crap out of the decision......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-MwR...eature=related
Let's make that 5 fights he's lost.

What the fuck has that video got to do with Haye? And as for Povetkin, Chambers, Solis and Dimitrenko, if Haye fights them i'd be willing to bet he beats all 4, they are all shite.

Oh yeah and Haye is no longer just a prospect, he is THE Heavyweight Champion of the World.

I'm not even sure he gets past John Ruiz.

Ok then Dildo.... erm i mean Bilbo, I'll have you a sig bet on the Haye Ruiz fight. I'm having Haye by the way.

[Nameless]

Haye is faster, punches harder and has more skill than everyone you have mentioned. FACT.

Ruiz and Evander are jokes in the heavyweight divison. So is Larry Donald. Ruslan Chagaev is, as we saw against Wlad lightyears away from being the best at heavyweight.

Haye being faster, a bigger puncher (none of those guys are punchers) and having more skill is no big deal at all, for the supposed saviour of the heavyweight division.

Povetkin, Chambers, Solis and Dimitresko are all more promising prospects than Haye.

By the way, watch this clip fast forward to around the 4.30 mark and listen to the GERMAN crowd when Valuev gets the decision over Larry Donald. Even his OWN fans boo the crap out of the decision......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-MwR...eature=related
Let's make that 5 fights he's lost.

What the fuck has that video got to do with Haye? And as for Povetkin, Chambers, Solis and Dimitrenko, if Haye fights them i'd be willing to bet he beats all 4, they are all shite.

Oh yeah and Haye is no longer just a prospect, he is THE Heavyweight Champion of the World.

... till he fights one of the Monsterbrothers, Chambers, Arreola or one of the top guys here.