KO Percentages Question

[hitmanhatton]

Well it does happen more often than 5% of the time I believe.

It must be at least 25% of the time in Ricky Hatton fights

Let's think, Hatton has been sparked twice, Manny sparked David Diaz too. Roy Jones was knocked unconscious twice, did Margarito beat the count against Mosely? Can't remember although I know Mayorga didn't.

Juan Diaz failed to get up against Marquez, I think Casamayor was out for the count against Marquez too? And I'm sure Katsidis didn't get up against Casa himself.

It happens more often than you'd realise I guess, but actually considering how many world titles their are now, virtually every fight is a title fight, so the figure may not be that high in comparison.

10% maybe actual KO's, rising to 40% when you account for TKO's, stoppages on cuts, and the towel being thrown in. I'd say another 5% for freak stoppages, disqualifications, headbutts etc, so prob 55% of fights go the distance, 45 end early, with 10% being clean ko's.

Of course I just made these stats up on the spot but if Jazmerkin, AdamGb or Missy disagree I fully intend to defend them as accurate and will pull up all manner of google resources to prove my invented stats are legit

is this not what the question is though, those fights you listed will have all gone down as tkos would they not because there was no actual count

there was no count in margarito - mosley, the ref stepped in to stop before margarito even got knocked down the second time

the most brutal ko's ironically normally are not recorded as ko's because the ref will stop it without a count

[Kev]

Well it does happen more often than 5% of the time I believe.

It must be at least 25% of the time in Ricky Hatton fights

Let's think, Hatton has been sparked twice, Manny sparked David Diaz too. Roy Jones was knocked unconscious twice, did Margarito beat the count against Mosely? Can't remember although I know Mayorga didn't.

Juan Diaz failed to get up against Marquez, I think Casamayor was out for the count against Marquez too? And I'm sure Katsidis didn't get up against Casa himself.

It happens more often than you'd realise I guess, but actually considering how many world titles their are now, virtually every fight is a title fight, so the figure may not be that high in comparison.

10% maybe actual KO's, rising to 40% when you account for TKO's, stoppages on cuts, and the towel being thrown in. I'd say another 5% for freak stoppages, disqualifications, headbutts etc, so prob 55% of fights go the distance, 45 end early, with 10% being clean ko's.

Of course I just made these stats up on the spot but if Jazmerkin, AdamGb or Missy disagree I fully intend to defend them as accurate and will pull up all manner of google resources to prove my invented stats are legit

is this not what the question is though, those fights you listed will have all gone down as tkos would they not because there was no actual count

there was no count in margarito - mosley, the ref stepped in to stop before margarito even got knocked down the second time

the most brutal ko's ironically normally are not recorded as ko's because the ref will stop it without a count

Is that true?

I just checked Hatton and although Manny got the KO, Floyds win is listed as a TKO which kind of seems like bollocks to me.

Actually maybe he did get to his feet in that. I remember him being check hooked into the corner post, getting up then being knocked down again, at which point the ref stopped it.

I would DEFINITELY call that a ko, although it doesn't suprise me at all that they would be incompetent enough to rule it a tko.

[amat]

I think the referee stepped in to stop it as Hatton was falling down against the ropes again...

[hitmanhatton]

boxrec has it as a ko your right, but yet they also have marqeuz - diaz as a tko when the ref stopped both without a count

if were going by their true definitions boths fights were TKO's as there was no ten count

come to think of it i cant even remember the last time a title fight ended in a true KO

[Youngblood]

the most brutal ko's ironically normally are not recorded as ko's because the ref will stop it without a count

ya that seems kinda strange to me. you'd think if anythng deserves a ko it is the dude not making it thru the count because the ref. considered saving his life might take priority at that moment.

[amat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0bJJaqdHPg

yeah that was a TKO. I'm not sure the reason for the gay music, it threw me off.

[hitmanhatton]

the most brutal ko's ironically normally are not recorded as ko's because the ref will stop it without a count

ya that seems kinda strange to me. you'd think if anythng deserves a ko it is the dude not making it thru the count because the ref. considered saving his life might take priority at that moment.

think doing it by the proper definitions of a 'ko' or 'TKO' is the only fair way to record these stoppages

for example hatton and david diaz werent gonna be getting up if there was a 30 second count in their fights against pac,

however take juan diaz against marquez, he may have been able to although all 3 fights were stopped without a count

is it fair for marquez to get the 'KO' ?

[Kev]

the most brutal ko's ironically normally are not recorded as ko's because the ref will stop it without a count

ya that seems kinda strange to me. you'd think if anythng deserves a ko it is the dude not making it thru the count because the ref. considered saving his life might take priority at that moment.

think doing it by the proper definitions of a 'ko' or 'TKO' is the only fair way to record these stoppages

for example hatton and david diaz werent gonna be getting up if there was a 30 second count in their fights against pac,

however take juan diaz against marquez, he may have been able to although all 3 fights were stopped without a count

is it fair for marquez to get the 'KO' ?

Of course it's fair! Watch the fight here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-cw4olewYc

He was done, if they carry on he gets ko'd.

Basically a TKO is no less impressive than a KO anyway, a KO just means knocked out, i.e counted out, a TKO just means the referee stopped the fight because the fighter was clearly about to be KO'd so he intervened for the fighter's safety.

It's like in chess. Very rarely will see an actual checkmate in grandmaster practice, even at amatuer level because the losing player will resign before the mate is delivered.

Does this mean it's less of a win than a genuine checkmate? Of course not, the checkmate was inevitable so they stopped the game early to avoid having to see it played out over the board.

In the Diaz Marquez fight a ko is just as inevitable but it comes also with the health risk to Diaz if its played out so the ref saves him from further punishment.

So it reads TKO, but to all intents and purposes it's a KO, becuase it if carried on Diaz would eventually get hurt so bad he couldn't make the count.

So Marquez deserves the KO, but a TKO is the same thing really, a knockout is a knockout after all.

[hitmanhatton]

ya that seems kinda strange to me. you'd think if anythng deserves a ko it is the dude not making it thru the count because the ref. considered saving his life might take priority at that moment.

think doing it by the proper definitions of a 'ko' or 'TKO' is the only fair way to record these stoppages

for example hatton and david diaz werent gonna be getting up if there was a 30 second count in their fights against pac,

however take juan diaz against marquez, he may have been able to although all 3 fights were stopped without a count

is it fair for marquez to get the 'KO' ?

Of course it's fair! Watch the fight here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-cw4olewYc

He was done, if they carry on he gets ko'd.

Basically a TKO is no less impressive than a KO anyway, a KO just means knocked out, i.e counted out, a TKO just means the referee stopped the fight because the fighter was clearly about to be KO'd so he intervened for the fighter's safety.

It's like in chess. Very rarely will see an actual checkmate in grandmaster practice, even at amatuer level because the losing player will resign before the mate is delivered.

Does this mean it's less of a win than a genuine checkmate? Of course not, the checkmate was inevitable so they stopped the game early to avoid having to see it played out over the board.

In the Diaz Marquez fight a ko is just as inevitable but it comes also with the health risk to Diaz if its played out so the ref saves him from further punishment.

So it reads TKO, but to all intents and purposes it's a KO, becuase it if carried on Diaz would eventually get hurt so bad he couldn't make the count.

So Marquez deserves the KO, but a TKO is the same thing really, a knockout is a knockout after all.

i agree, but the question was how many title fights actually end up in a true 'ko'

look up the definition a proper 'ko' is classified by the refree completing a ten count, if it is stopped prior to this, then its a TKO,

and to say marquez should get the KO because diaz was about to ko'd is just an assumption ... have you not seen corrales - castillo 1 ? why not just call the fight off when corrales goes down so easilly the second time....it seemed obvious that he was about to get knocked but we know how it actually turned out

[Kev]

think doing it by the proper definitions of a 'ko' or 'TKO' is the only fair way to record these stoppages

for example hatton and david diaz werent gonna be getting up if there was a 30 second count in their fights against pac,

however take juan diaz against marquez, he may have been able to although all 3 fights were stopped without a count

is it fair for marquez to get the 'KO' ?

Of course it's fair! Watch the fight here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-cw4olewYc
He was done, if they carry on he gets ko'd.

Basically a TKO is no less impressive than a KO anyway, a KO just means knocked out, i.e counted out, a TKO just means the referee stopped the fight because the fighter was clearly about to be KO'd so he intervened for the fighter's safety.

It's like in chess. Very rarely will see an actual checkmate in grandmaster practice, even at amatuer level because the losing player will resign before the mate is delivered.

Does this mean it's less of a win than a genuine checkmate? Of course not, the checkmate was inevitable so they stopped the game early to avoid having to see it played out over the board.

In the Diaz Marquez fight a ko is just as inevitable but it comes also with the health risk to Diaz if its played out so the ref saves him from further punishment.

So it reads TKO, but to all intents and purposes it's a KO, becuase it if carried on Diaz would eventually get hurt so bad he couldn't make the count.

So Marquez deserves the KO, but a TKO is the same thing really, a knockout is a knockout after all.

i agree, but the question was how many title fights actually end up in a true 'ko'

look up the definition a proper 'ko' is classified by the refree completing a ten count, if it is stopped prior to this, then its a TKO,

and to say marquez should get the KO because diaz was about to ko'd is just an assumption ... have you not seen corrales - castillo 1 ? why not just call the fight off when corrales goes down so easilly the second time....it seemed obvious that he was about to get knocked but we know how it actually turned out

Well firstly Coralles was not nearly as done as Diaz was. He still had the presence of mind to spit his gumshield out and wasn't flat on his back when the ref stepped in.

Secondly, if my memory serves me right, Castillo only lost that fight because the referee intervened and ruled it a TKO with Castillo still on his feet.

So Coralles didn't knock him out either as imagine how it could have turned out had the ref let them fight on.......just saying.

Diaz was DONE, no coming back for him in that fight.

[hitmanhatton]

was it corrales intelligence to spit his gum shield out or simply instinct ... hard to tell, look at how tyson scrambled round on the floor for his wasting most of the ten count against buster douglas... i doubt that just after being knocked down for the second time he was thinking about trying to buy the odd second by spitting the mouth piece out

im pretty sure you will agree then that corrales - castillo shouldnt go down as a 'ko' but a tko, there was no count as the referee intervened

what makes this different than the pac - diaz fight or the pac - hatton fight

in both cases it was game over, there was no coming back

i dont neccesarilly agree with this technicality, and it doesnt affect the fighter in anyway i was simply answering the question in the way i see it

it does work the other way too, look at Benn - Mclellan, ruled as a KO in the record books although he took a knee and allowed himself to be counted out he wasnt brutally put down in the way hatton or david diaz were

[rjj tszyu]

Actual 10 counts now are rare. In the interest of safety the ref will stop counting if he thinks the fighter is gone, like say Taylor was against Abraham. I think he got to 6 and that was too long, Jermain wouldn't have got up if he counted 10 hours.

[johnmaff36]

ya that seems kinda strange to me. you'd think if anythng deserves a ko it is the dude not making it thru the count because the ref. considered saving his life might take priority at that moment.

think doing it by the proper definitions of a 'ko' or 'TKO' is the only fair way to record these stoppages

for example hatton and david diaz werent gonna be getting up if there was a 30 second count in their fights against pac,

however take juan diaz against marquez, he may have been able to although all 3 fights were stopped without a count

is it fair for marquez to get the 'KO' ?

Of course it's fair! Watch the fight here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-cw4olewYc

He was done, if they carry on he gets ko'd.

Basically a TKO is no less impressive than a KO anyway, a KO just means knocked out, i.e counted out, a TKO just means the referee stopped the fight because the fighter was clearly about to be KO'd so he intervened for the fighter's safety.

It's like in chess. Very rarely will see an actual checkmate in grandmaster practice, even at amatuer level because the losing player will resign before the mate is delivered.

Does this mean it's less of a win than a genuine checkmate? Of course not, the checkmate was inevitable so they stopped the game early to avoid having to see it played out over the board.

In the Diaz Marquez fight a ko is just as inevitable but it comes also with the health risk to Diaz if its played out so the ref saves him from further punishment.

So it reads TKO, but to all intents and purposes it's a KO, becuase it if carried on Diaz would eventually get hurt so bad he couldn't make the count.

So Marquez deserves the KO, but a TKO is the same thing really, a knockout is a knockout after all.

Call me old-fashioned but that looks pretty much of a KO as you can get.