Is Nonito Donaire really the 6th best boxer in the world??

[OumaFan]

OK I guess I didn't read your post that carefully I think you would agree though that Williams has the frame to move up in divisions more than some people, for example Calderon. I also wouldn't rule out him fighting at 112 one of these days.

Other than that I'm not sure what were arguing about. I would probably have Williams in the bottom half of P4P.

FWIW I'm not making any of those arguments, I used to be a huge fan of Guzman but he's a waste.

I thought Martinez was at 160?

[Kev]

OK I guess I didn't read your post that carefully I think you would agree though that Williams has the frame to move up in divisions more than some people, for example Calderon. I also wouldn't rule out him fighting at 112 one of these days.

Other than that I'm not sure what were arguing about. I would probably have Williams in the bottom half of P4P.

FWIW I'm not making any of those arguments, I used to be a huge fan of Guzman but he's a waste.

I thought Martinez was at 160?

Ah glad we almost agree. Yes I agree Williams has the frame but that in itself is impressive. It's not like he has a massive weight advantage going into these fights like Valuev, he manages to weight the same as the guys he's fighting despite being several inches taller than some, that's impressive and deserves credit rather than taking away credit from him.

Any fighter who can move through 3 weight classes and fight the best in those weight classes is p4p worthy imo regardless of how tall he is, providing he doesnt have a huge weight advantage like Nikolay Valuev.

Not sure what the weight is for the Martinez fight, I thought it was 154 but no idea.

By the way, you'll be glad to know I did moan a LOT when Martinez was on HBO fighting Bunema and Kellerman and Merchant were on his nutsacks telling us he was a p4p star and a great who should be fighting the mega fights.

I remember posting something along the lines of 'IF YOU THOUGHT HE WAS A GREAT AND A P4P STAR WHY HAVE YOU NEVER EVER ONCE MENTIONED HIM BEFORE IN HBO BROADCASTS EVER YOU CUUNNNNNTS!!!'

[OumaFan]

I think its at 160. From now on I'm definitely going to be obsessed with Sergio Martinez, I will do my best Bilbo impersonation.