OK I guess I didn't read your post that carefully I think you would agree though that Williams has the frame to move up in divisions more than some people, for example Calderon. I also wouldn't rule out him fighting at 112 one of these days.

Other than that I'm not sure what were arguing about. I would probably have Williams in the bottom half of P4P.

FWIW I'm not making any of those arguments, I used to be a huge fan of Guzman but he's a waste.

I thought Martinez was at 160?