Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
I'm not sure you understood the point I was making about Clottey. Williams offered to fight Clottey at 154 (not 160) after the Pavlik fight fell through. Clottey didn't accept the fight at 154. Clearly, Williams could have been able to make 154 if he offered to fight Clottey at 154 during the same time period. Yet, Williams wouldn't fight Martinez at 154? You pointed out the reason in your post - because it is to Paul's advantage to fight Martinez at 160 rather than 154.
No I understood perfectly. My point is it would have been pointless to offer Clottey a fight at 160; which is evidenced by the fact that he didn't even take the fight at 154. I'm sure Williams could have come down to 154 to fight either man. And I'm sure the Williams camp felt more comfortable about coming down to 154 for Clottey (who would have had to come up even then) than for the rangier framed Martinez; who has been at 154, as you said, since 200. The fact that Martinez did agree to come up to 160, proves that the Williams camp knows how play their cards, and my whole point is that he shouldn't be disparaged for doing so, excepting all the BS from his camp we've already discussed.

As for Pavlik it certainly does look bad, but then again on the surface of it, he had to fight to keep his belts. That article Diane posted makes it sound like they're still waiting for his hand to heal and even his camp looks to be unsure about his state. We'll just have to see what happens after this fight. If he and Williams both win, there should be no more excuses.