3 things - 1 Pac is inhuman- 2- How good must marquez be - 3-Mayweather!

[Majesty]

LOL at Mayweather decimating Pacquaio. Will it be just like the Gatti fight or just like the Chavez fight?

I was right about Pacquiao decimating Cotto in a one sided fight.

Pacquao would get dominated by Mayweather badly. Maybe give him some issues in the first 2 rounds but that will be the end of it.

Mayweather won't stand toe to toe like Marquez did but he will counter the hell out of Pacquiao the same way. Mayweather also has a good consistant jab, something no one has used against Pacquiao. Jabs offset speed and Mayweathers timing AND speed make a problem. Pacquiao has showed against Marquez, his rhythm can be found out and he can be timed. Mayweather has better timng is faster and hts harder then Marquez and he's bigger. Pacquao has tendencies when he bounces out and and in to do it with his hands down and thats why Marquez would catch hm coming out. Mayweather would do it a lot worse. Cotto did it for one round and only with one left hook.

Pacquiao can't deal with counter punchers that have a composed mind and great timing like Marquez, Mayweather s better in every way then Marquez and is a bad style matchup for Pacquiao.

I stand by this like I stood by my prediction for Cotto and Pacquiao. If Pacquiao and Mayweather ever fight Pacquiao is going to get destroyed.

[belakbox]

I agree that Marquez gave Pac two tough fights. I was fine with the draw for the first fight and I thought Pac won the 2nd.

After last nights performance I'm convinced that a the ole counter puncher can beat Pac theory is no longer valid.

The man has filled the holes he had and has literally grown physically and in skill with each fight. He's not the same fighter that fought Marquez.

Mayweather is capable of a win with out a doubt, but I'm back to picking Pac for this matchup. Best of luck to both fighters though.

[Majesty]

I agree that Marquez gave Pac two tough fights. I was fine with the draw for the first fight and I thought Pac won the 2nd.

After last nights performance I'm convinced that a the ole counter puncher can beat Pac theory is no longer valid.

The man has filled the holes he had and has literally grown physically and in skill with each fight. He's not the same fighter that fought Marquez.

Mayweather is capable of a win with out a doubt, but I'm back to picking Pac for this matchup. Best of luck to both fighters though.

How is it no longer valid when Cotto didn't even fight like Mayweather would against Pacquiao? Not even close.

And it's not just any counter puncher, its the best counter puncher in the game today and the best pure boxer as well, not to mention the fastest and most disciplined guy Manny's ever fought.

Pacquiao didn't change, his opponents did. Pacquiao drew with Marquez when he was just jab jab straight left. He then became the new and improved Pacquiao with right hook version and still went life or death with the same Marquez. Pacquiao could change in all shades of the sun and still have major issues with Marquez. Because Marquez found his rhythm and timed him. Mayweather would do the same. I just don't see Mayweather losing to Pacquiao. Mayweather's style is made to shut down styles like Pacquiao's. So we'll see. But I'm sure Arum knows this. Hence why he is gonna try to get the winner of Berto vs Mosley before Mayweather does. Because then there's no one else for either of them to fight besides Paul Williams. And NOBODY is fighting that guy.

Honestly.. I wouldn't put it past Arum to try to set up a Margarito vs Pacquiao fight .... dumb as that is Arum wants to keep all the money inside. So, I don't see why he wouldn't. I can imagine Arum trying to hype it "They both beat Cotto, It can be argued Cotto was damaged goods after Margarito, Margarito wants redemption." Wouldn't put it past that guy.

[Kel]

I agree that Marquez gave Pac two tough fights. I was fine with the draw for the first fight and I thought Pac won the 2nd.

After last nights performance I'm convinced that a the ole counter puncher can beat Pac theory is no longer valid.

The man has filled the holes he had and has literally grown physically and in skill with each fight. He's not the same fighter that fought Marquez.

Mayweather is capable of a win with out a doubt, but I'm back to picking Pac for this matchup. Best of luck to both fighters though.

I'm with you on this, Pac is not the same as he was at lower weights, he has moved up better than I could have ever imagined, retained his speed and has more power. He also boxes smart and seems to have a very good understanding with what he is capable of, when I saw him standing in front of Cotto I was amazed, even more so when he moved about and threw combos.

The speed of foot and hand really is quite scary and it's not something you can prepare for because where can you get a sparring partner that can replicate that shit?

[Rantcatrat]

LOL at Mayweather decimating Pacquaio. Will it be just like the Gatti fight or just like the Chavez fight?

I was right about Pacquiao decimating Cotto in a one sided fight.

Pacquao would get dominated by Mayweather badly. Maybe give him some issues in the first 2 rounds but that will be the end of it.

Mayweather won't stand toe to toe like Marquez did but he will counter the hell out of Pacquiao the same way. Mayweather also has a good consistant jab, something no one has used against Pacquiao. Jabs offset speed and Mayweathers timing AND speed make a problem. Pacquiao has showed against Marquez, his rhythm can be found out and he can be timed. Mayweather has better timng is faster and hts harder then Marquez and he's bigger. Pacquao has tendencies when he bounces out and and in to do it with his hands down and thats why Marquez would catch hm coming out. Mayweather would do it a lot worse. Cotto did it for one round and only with one left hook.

Pacquiao can't deal with counter punchers that have a composed mind and great timing like Marquez, Mayweather s better in every way then Marquez and is a bad style matchup for Pacquiao.

I stand by this like I stood by my prediction for Cotto and Pacquiao. If Pacquiao and Mayweather ever fight Pacquiao is going to get destroyed.

Destroyed is a strong word. Mayweather should beat Pac and will be the favorite going into the fight. But, Pac walked through Cotto's punches and I don't think Mayweather hits as hard or harder than Cotto. A bigger Pac would beat Mayweather. Pac will have trouble getting to Mayweather because of his size and that should spell his downfall. The fight itself won't be half as fun to watch as Pac v. Cotto. I know the Mayweather fight must happen, but to me Pac v. Mosley sounds like a more fun boxing match to watch.

Great article on Pac v. Cotto by Graham Houston: THAT WAS PHENOMENAL: Manny Pacquiao TKO12 Miguel Cotto | FightWriter
This is how he ended the article: "but I can tell you that as I left the MGM Grand Garden Arena on Saturday night it was with the feeling that I had been privileged to have seen one of the great performances in modern boxing history."

One more thing. Pac beating Mayweather is bigger for Pac's legacy than Mayweather beating Pac is for Mayweather.

[skel1983]

LOL at Mayweather decimating Pacquaio. Will it be just like the Gatti fight or just like the Chavez fight?

I was right about Pacquiao decimating Cotto in a one sided fight.

Pacquao would get dominated by Mayweather badly. Maybe give him some issues in the first 2 rounds but that will be the end of it.

Mayweather won't stand toe to toe like Marquez did but he will counter the hell out of Pacquiao the same way. Mayweather also has a good consistant jab, something no one has used against Pacquiao. Jabs offset speed and Mayweathers timing AND speed make a problem. Pacquiao has showed against Marquez, his rhythm can be found out and he can be timed. Mayweather has better timng is faster and hts harder then Marquez and he's bigger. Pacquao has tendencies when he bounces out and and in to do it with his hands down and thats why Marquez would catch hm coming out. Mayweather would do it a lot worse. Cotto did it for one round and only with one left hook.

Pacquiao can't deal with counter punchers that have a composed mind and great timing like Marquez, Mayweather s better in every way then Marquez and is a bad style matchup for Pacquiao.

I stand by this like I stood by my prediction for Cotto and Pacquiao. If Pacquiao and Mayweather ever fight Pacquiao is going to get destroyed.

Maybe you want to remind us that you got the Cotto fight rite once again??

Give it a fucking rest you predict a fight rite and now you think your fucking some boxing expert, Pac destroyed by Mayweather hahahahaha give your head a fucking wobble, when the fight happens I will bring this post up.

[The Fightfan]

Styles do make fights. After that fight I think Pacquaio would beat Mayweather. I don't think either fighter will win by KO but I do think Pacquaio will throw 5 to Mayweather's 2 and win on points

[Master]

I did not think Pac Man would beat Mayweather but after the Cotto display, he definitely does. I hope they fight and he batters Floyd.

[Althugz]

Styles do make fights. After that fight I think Pacquaio would beat Mayweather. I don't think either fighter will win by KO but I do think Pacquaio will throw 5 to Mayweather's 2 and win on points

I agree...I don't care how much of a defensive genius you are - How do you deal with that speed, work rate and punch selection?

I think Pac could be too taxing for Mayweathers defence.

[zhubin]

Wow! I have tremendous respect for Pac...but i think people are getting a bit carried away. If you listen to Roach before Pac's last three fights...he himself pointed out their individual glaring weaknesses. Fact remains...Roach for the most part handpicked Manny's last three opponents. He is definitely not handpicking the Floyd fight. This will be a fight that the market demands. All of the HUGE advantages Pac had over Cotto, Oscar, and Hatton...will either be gone or neutrilized against Floyd. Skill, speed, endurance, defense, intelligence...there is no glaring weakness in Floyd's arsenal. Another thing i think people miss from the Pac/Cotto fight...Pac, for all of his speed and improvements...still gets hit frequently. Cotto has no where near the speed, accuracy, or overall skill of Floyd...yet he still tagged Manny. People keep focusing on IF FLOYD CAN KNOCKOUT MANNY. But Floyd's game has never been about knocking people out. If anything...Manny's huge rise will make Floyd train harder than ever (which is scary considering how hard he trains normally). I am not saying Floyd will definitely win...but for people to think that this will play out like Pac's recent performances...highly doubtful.

[NuthaPug]

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I am not saying Floyd will definitely win...but for people to think that this will play out like Pac's recent performances...highly doubtful.

Well then I'll say it for you.

Mayweather will beat Manny.

Definitely. Barring puncher's luck, which is always the wild card when folks are hitting each other, Floyd should be expected to win by most anyone, particularly by boxing fans. Like yous.

[miron_lang]

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I am not saying Floyd will definitely win...but for people to think that this will play out like Pac's recent performances...highly doubtful.

Well then I'll say it for you.

Mayweather will beat Manny.

Definitely. Barring puncher's luck, which is always the wild card when folks are hitting each other, Floyd should be expected to win by most anyone, particularly by boxing fans. Like yous.

What the??!!! Barring punchers luck??!!! uLOL!!! hahahhahahaha

[DaxxKahn]

What kills me is everyone is using Jmm Vs Pacquiao and Jmm Vs Mayweather as a measuring stick for how Pac Vs Floyd would go but what I don't see is...

People realizing that JMM is not the fighter he was then, Manny is not the fighter he was then.

JMM took an beating from J Diaz most of their fight a good but certainly not P4P class fighter.

Everyone looks for excuses on why Pacquiao is so good be it his opp was weight drained, past thyeir best they were over rated or my favorite of them all is

I knew he would win but I rooted for the other guy...Then the..

Styles make fights line.

What I don't hear is,

Pacquiao keeps improving so much that he makes world class fighters look like club fighters, Manny and Roach together as a team make Manny so good or Manny has a cool haircut so he is so good!!!!

Just reasons to take away from what he has accomplished.

Now all of a sudden Cotto was over rated, Cotto has the wrong style, Cotto was ruined by Margarito thats why Manny was able to dominate him....

A bunch of shit talking guys who refuse to give credit where credit is due!!!

JMM is a great fighter who is on the slide ( though not washed up by any means)

DLH was weight drained but that was his fault, his size advantage should have been an equalizer and just a yr before he gave PBF all he could handle.

Hatton was without question the best 140 lbr in the world and unbeaten at the weight when Manny destroyed him and Ricky had just come off a one sided beat down of Malinaggi

Cotto is prime, is a huge body puncher (The spot everyone swore he would break Manny down with), Cotto holds wins over the Ring Champ at WW Mosley, Former champ Quintana b(one sided) Beat Clottey in a tough tough fight and even dropped the iron Jawed native of Ghana.

Fact is Manny has beaten all these guys with ease, easier then I have seen Mayweather beat anyone since Gatti!!!!!

Now Pacquiao nut huggers annoy the shit out of me but I'll be damned if I will just agree with any of the bullshit excuses on why Manny is doing so well.

Pacquiao is walking through these guys because he is just that good!!!

Nothing more nothing less and with the amount of money that could be made in a fight Vs Floyd there is a reason why Floyd is not jumping at this like a kid in the candy store.

And it's certainly not because he is a bigger draw then Manny at the moment

[zhubin]

What kills me is everyone is using Jmm Vs Pacquiao and Jmm Vs Mayweather as a measuring stick for how Pac Vs Floyd would go but what I don't see is...

People realizing that JMM is not the fighter he was then, Manny is not the fighter he was then.

JMM took an beating from J Diaz most of their fight a good but certainly not P4P class fighter.

Everyone looks for excuses on why Pacquiao is so good be it his opp was weight drained, past thyeir best they were over rated or my favorite of them all is

I knew he would win but I rooted for the other guy...Then the..

Styles make fights line.

What I don't hear is,

Pacquiao keeps improving so much that he makes world class fighters look like club fighters, Manny and Roach together as a team make Manny so good or Manny has a cool haircut so he is so good!!!!

Just reasons to take away from what he has accomplished.

Now all of a sudden Cotto was over rated, Cotto has the wrong style, Cotto was ruined by Margarito thats why Manny was able to dominate him....

A bunch of shit talking guys who refuse to give credit where credit is due!!!

JMM is a great fighter who is on the slide ( though not washed up by any means)

DLH was weight drained but that was his fault, his size advantage should have been an equalizer and just a yr before he gave PBF all he could handle.

Hatton was without question the best 140 lbr in the world and unbeaten at the weight when Manny destroyed him and Ricky had just come off a one sided beat down of Malinaggi

Cotto is prime, is a huge body puncher (The spot everyone swore he would break Manny down with), Cotto holds wins over the Ring Champ at WW Mosley, Former champ Quintana b(one sided) Beat Clottey in a tough tough fight and even dropped the iron Jawed native of Ghana.

Fact is Manny has beaten all these guys with ease, easier then I have seen Mayweather beat anyone since Gatti!!!!!

Now Pacquiao nut huggers annoy the shit out of me but I'll be damned if I will just agree with any of the bullshit excuses on why Manny is doing so well.

Pacquiao is walking through these guys because he is just that good!!!

Nothing more nothing less and with the amount of money that could be made in a fight Vs Floyd there is a reason why Floyd is not jumping at this like a kid in the candy store.

And it's certainly not because he is a bigger draw then Manny at the moment

Roach said Hatton was washed up and one dimensional. Roach said Oscar was past it and would fade. Roach said Cotto isn't the same fighter as he was before the Tony fight. It seems to me Roach was smart enough to pick the right fighters for Manny at this point. Props for Manny for handling his business...but Mayweather is a huge step up in quality. Different fighters win in different ways. Pac's wins seem more impressive because he is an offensive/all action fighter. Floyd doesn't have to knock his opponents out. He technically dismantles them. I am not saying any of this as a fan or hater of either fighter. Just saying...as impressive as Pac has been...for me...the BEST fighter he has faced to this point of his career is Marquez. And those where two pick em fights. You could say Manny could beat Marquez easier now...but we really don't know unless they fight again. The Floyd vs. Pac fight will truly determine who is the pfp champ. And that is a fight that is going to happen because the market demands it!! Not because Roach thinks it will suit Pac's strengths.

[DaxxKahn]

What kills me is everyone is using Jmm Vs Pacquiao and Jmm Vs Mayweather as a measuring stick for how Pac Vs Floyd would go but what I don't see is...

People realizing that JMM is not the fighter he was then, Manny is not the fighter he was then.

JMM took an beating from J Diaz most of their fight a good but certainly not P4P class fighter.

Everyone looks for excuses on why Pacquiao is so good be it his opp was weight drained, past thyeir best they were over rated or my favorite of them all is

I knew he would win but I rooted for the other guy...Then the..

Styles make fights line.

What I don't hear is,

Pacquiao keeps improving so much that he makes world class fighters look like club fighters, Manny and Roach together as a team make Manny so good or Manny has a cool haircut so he is so good!!!!

Just reasons to take away from what he has accomplished.

Now all of a sudden Cotto was over rated, Cotto has the wrong style, Cotto was ruined by Margarito thats why Manny was able to dominate him....

A bunch of shit talking guys who refuse to give credit where credit is due!!!

JMM is a great fighter who is on the slide ( though not washed up by any means)

DLH was weight drained but that was his fault, his size advantage should have been an equalizer and just a yr before he gave PBF all he could handle.

Hatton was without question the best 140 lbr in the world and unbeaten at the weight when Manny destroyed him and Ricky had just come off a one sided beat down of Malinaggi

Cotto is prime, is a huge body puncher (The spot everyone swore he would break Manny down with), Cotto holds wins over the Ring Champ at WW Mosley, Former champ Quintana b(one sided) Beat Clottey in a tough tough fight and even dropped the iron Jawed native of Ghana.

Fact is Manny has beaten all these guys with ease, easier then I have seen Mayweather beat anyone since Gatti!!!!!

Now Pacquiao nut huggers annoy the shit out of me but I'll be damned if I will just agree with any of the bullshit excuses on why Manny is doing so well.

Pacquiao is walking through these guys because he is just that good!!!

Nothing more nothing less and with the amount of money that could be made in a fight Vs Floyd there is a reason why Floyd is not jumping at this like a kid in the candy store.

And it's certainly not because he is a bigger draw then Manny at the moment

Roach said Hatton was washed up and one dimensional. Roach said Oscar was past it and would fade. Roach said Cotto isn't the same fighter as he was before the Tony fight. It seems to me Roach was smart enough to pick the right fighters for Manny at this point. Props for Manny for handling his business...but Mayweather is a huge step up in quality. Different fighters win in different ways. Pac's wins seem more impressive because he is an offensive/all action fighter. Floyd doesn't have to knock his opponents out. He technically dismantles them. I am not saying any of this as a fan or hater of either fighter. Just saying...as impressive as Pac has been...for me...the BEST fighter he has faced to this point of his career is Marquez. And those where two pick em fights. You could say Manny could beat Marquez easier now...but we really don't know unless they fight again. The Floyd vs. Pac fight will truly determine who is the pfp champ. And that is a fight that is going to happen because the market demands it!! Not because Roach thinks it will suit Pac's strengths.

Good points and well backed up statements, I give credit for not just using any random excuse for your not thinking Manny is a good as it seems.,

The statements of Roach have even been said about Floyd, though not the downslide or not the same fighter as he once was part but he has stated Floyd was over rated.

My comments were more or less based on the faqct that until Manny is proven other then what he is maybe people (No one in particular because I have heard writers at other fights in the press room use stupid reasoning as well) should just give him credit.