3 things - 1 Pac is inhuman- 2- How good must marquez be - 3-Mayweather!

[The Fightfan]

Styles do make fights. After that fight I think Pacquaio would beat Mayweather. I don't think either fighter will win by KO but I do think Pacquaio will throw 5 to Mayweather's 2 and win on points

[Master]

I did not think Pac Man would beat Mayweather but after the Cotto display, he definitely does. I hope they fight and he batters Floyd.

[Althugz]

Styles do make fights. After that fight I think Pacquaio would beat Mayweather. I don't think either fighter will win by KO but I do think Pacquaio will throw 5 to Mayweather's 2 and win on points

I agree...I don't care how much of a defensive genius you are - How do you deal with that speed, work rate and punch selection?

I think Pac could be too taxing for Mayweathers defence.

[zhubin]

Wow! I have tremendous respect for Pac...but i think people are getting a bit carried away. If you listen to Roach before Pac's last three fights...he himself pointed out their individual glaring weaknesses. Fact remains...Roach for the most part handpicked Manny's last three opponents. He is definitely not handpicking the Floyd fight. This will be a fight that the market demands. All of the HUGE advantages Pac had over Cotto, Oscar, and Hatton...will either be gone or neutrilized against Floyd. Skill, speed, endurance, defense, intelligence...there is no glaring weakness in Floyd's arsenal. Another thing i think people miss from the Pac/Cotto fight...Pac, for all of his speed and improvements...still gets hit frequently. Cotto has no where near the speed, accuracy, or overall skill of Floyd...yet he still tagged Manny. People keep focusing on IF FLOYD CAN KNOCKOUT MANNY. But Floyd's game has never been about knocking people out. If anything...Manny's huge rise will make Floyd train harder than ever (which is scary considering how hard he trains normally). I am not saying Floyd will definitely win...but for people to think that this will play out like Pac's recent performances...highly doubtful.

[NuthaPug]

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I am not saying Floyd will definitely win...but for people to think that this will play out like Pac's recent performances...highly doubtful.

Well then I'll say it for you.

Mayweather will beat Manny.

Definitely. Barring puncher's luck, which is always the wild card when folks are hitting each other, Floyd should be expected to win by most anyone, particularly by boxing fans. Like yous.

[miron_lang]

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I am not saying Floyd will definitely win...but for people to think that this will play out like Pac's recent performances...highly doubtful.

Well then I'll say it for you.

Mayweather will beat Manny.

Definitely. Barring puncher's luck, which is always the wild card when folks are hitting each other, Floyd should be expected to win by most anyone, particularly by boxing fans. Like yous.

What the??!!! Barring punchers luck??!!! uLOL!!! hahahhahahaha

[Tonton]

Pac-Gayweather would be an ugly fight. After having witnessed Pac's power and speed in destroying Cotto, Gayweather will refuse to engage but just hug and run away all night, pecking his way to an excruciatingly boring close but unanimous decision win.

[NuthaPug]

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I am not saying Floyd will definitely win...but for people to think that this will play out like Pac's recent performances...highly doubtful.

Well then I'll say it for you.

Mayweather will beat Manny.

Definitely. Barring puncher's luck, which is always the wild card when folks are hitting each other, Floyd should be expected to win by most anyone, particularly by boxing fans. Like yous.

What the??!!! Barring punchers luck??!!! uLOL!!! hahahhahahaha

Yeah, well, who was it in another thread who wrote "One shot. And the complexion of the game can turn in pac's favor." Oh, yeah, it was you.

That's basically what I meant, too. Not to dis Manny. He's great, no doubt. I didn't mean to say he is "just a puncher" exactly.

But what I said still stands; Floyd should be expected to win, and if he doesn't, it is more likely to be that "one punch" that changes the game and less likely to be that Manny dominated over the course of the fight.

Totally reasonable. Feel free to be reasonable, too.

[Majesty]

ok people are saying manny is such a much more improved fighter now and isnt the same guy who fought marquez thw second time. isnt this the same stuff said before the rematch? how is manny a better fighter now then he was then? like i said he didmt change, his opponents did. we cant say he's a different fighter then he was against marquez because no one he has faced since has fought a disciplined counter punching match against pacquiao so how do we think he somehow has found the answer when he hasnt fought anything close to that style since?

[DaxxKahn]

What kills me is everyone is using Jmm Vs Pacquiao and Jmm Vs Mayweather as a measuring stick for how Pac Vs Floyd would go but what I don't see is...

People realizing that JMM is not the fighter he was then, Manny is not the fighter he was then.

JMM took an beating from J Diaz most of their fight a good but certainly not P4P class fighter.

Everyone looks for excuses on why Pacquiao is so good be it his opp was weight drained, past thyeir best they were over rated or my favorite of them all is

I knew he would win but I rooted for the other guy...Then the..

Styles make fights line.

What I don't hear is,

Pacquiao keeps improving so much that he makes world class fighters look like club fighters, Manny and Roach together as a team make Manny so good or Manny has a cool haircut so he is so good!!!!

Just reasons to take away from what he has accomplished.

Now all of a sudden Cotto was over rated, Cotto has the wrong style, Cotto was ruined by Margarito thats why Manny was able to dominate him....

A bunch of shit talking guys who refuse to give credit where credit is due!!!

JMM is a great fighter who is on the slide ( though not washed up by any means)

DLH was weight drained but that was his fault, his size advantage should have been an equalizer and just a yr before he gave PBF all he could handle.

Hatton was without question the best 140 lbr in the world and unbeaten at the weight when Manny destroyed him and Ricky had just come off a one sided beat down of Malinaggi

Cotto is prime, is a huge body puncher (The spot everyone swore he would break Manny down with), Cotto holds wins over the Ring Champ at WW Mosley, Former champ Quintana b(one sided) Beat Clottey in a tough tough fight and even dropped the iron Jawed native of Ghana.

Fact is Manny has beaten all these guys with ease, easier then I have seen Mayweather beat anyone since Gatti!!!!!

Now Pacquiao nut huggers annoy the shit out of me but I'll be damned if I will just agree with any of the bullshit excuses on why Manny is doing so well.

Pacquiao is walking through these guys because he is just that good!!!

Nothing more nothing less and with the amount of money that could be made in a fight Vs Floyd there is a reason why Floyd is not jumping at this like a kid in the candy store.

And it's certainly not because he is a bigger draw then Manny at the moment

[zhubin]

What kills me is everyone is using Jmm Vs Pacquiao and Jmm Vs Mayweather as a measuring stick for how Pac Vs Floyd would go but what I don't see is...

People realizing that JMM is not the fighter he was then, Manny is not the fighter he was then.

JMM took an beating from J Diaz most of their fight a good but certainly not P4P class fighter.

Everyone looks for excuses on why Pacquiao is so good be it his opp was weight drained, past thyeir best they were over rated or my favorite of them all is

I knew he would win but I rooted for the other guy...Then the..

Styles make fights line.

What I don't hear is,

Pacquiao keeps improving so much that he makes world class fighters look like club fighters, Manny and Roach together as a team make Manny so good or Manny has a cool haircut so he is so good!!!!

Just reasons to take away from what he has accomplished.

Now all of a sudden Cotto was over rated, Cotto has the wrong style, Cotto was ruined by Margarito thats why Manny was able to dominate him....

A bunch of shit talking guys who refuse to give credit where credit is due!!!

JMM is a great fighter who is on the slide ( though not washed up by any means)

DLH was weight drained but that was his fault, his size advantage should have been an equalizer and just a yr before he gave PBF all he could handle.

Hatton was without question the best 140 lbr in the world and unbeaten at the weight when Manny destroyed him and Ricky had just come off a one sided beat down of Malinaggi

Cotto is prime, is a huge body puncher (The spot everyone swore he would break Manny down with), Cotto holds wins over the Ring Champ at WW Mosley, Former champ Quintana b(one sided) Beat Clottey in a tough tough fight and even dropped the iron Jawed native of Ghana.

Fact is Manny has beaten all these guys with ease, easier then I have seen Mayweather beat anyone since Gatti!!!!!

Now Pacquiao nut huggers annoy the shit out of me but I'll be damned if I will just agree with any of the bullshit excuses on why Manny is doing so well.

Pacquiao is walking through these guys because he is just that good!!!

Nothing more nothing less and with the amount of money that could be made in a fight Vs Floyd there is a reason why Floyd is not jumping at this like a kid in the candy store.

And it's certainly not because he is a bigger draw then Manny at the moment

Roach said Hatton was washed up and one dimensional. Roach said Oscar was past it and would fade. Roach said Cotto isn't the same fighter as he was before the Tony fight. It seems to me Roach was smart enough to pick the right fighters for Manny at this point. Props for Manny for handling his business...but Mayweather is a huge step up in quality. Different fighters win in different ways. Pac's wins seem more impressive because he is an offensive/all action fighter. Floyd doesn't have to knock his opponents out. He technically dismantles them. I am not saying any of this as a fan or hater of either fighter. Just saying...as impressive as Pac has been...for me...the BEST fighter he has faced to this point of his career is Marquez. And those where two pick em fights. You could say Manny could beat Marquez easier now...but we really don't know unless they fight again. The Floyd vs. Pac fight will truly determine who is the pfp champ. And that is a fight that is going to happen because the market demands it!! Not because Roach thinks it will suit Pac's strengths.

[DaxxKahn]

What kills me is everyone is using Jmm Vs Pacquiao and Jmm Vs Mayweather as a measuring stick for how Pac Vs Floyd would go but what I don't see is...

People realizing that JMM is not the fighter he was then, Manny is not the fighter he was then.

JMM took an beating from J Diaz most of their fight a good but certainly not P4P class fighter.

Everyone looks for excuses on why Pacquiao is so good be it his opp was weight drained, past thyeir best they were over rated or my favorite of them all is

I knew he would win but I rooted for the other guy...Then the..

Styles make fights line.

What I don't hear is,

Pacquiao keeps improving so much that he makes world class fighters look like club fighters, Manny and Roach together as a team make Manny so good or Manny has a cool haircut so he is so good!!!!

Just reasons to take away from what he has accomplished.

Now all of a sudden Cotto was over rated, Cotto has the wrong style, Cotto was ruined by Margarito thats why Manny was able to dominate him....

A bunch of shit talking guys who refuse to give credit where credit is due!!!

JMM is a great fighter who is on the slide ( though not washed up by any means)

DLH was weight drained but that was his fault, his size advantage should have been an equalizer and just a yr before he gave PBF all he could handle.

Hatton was without question the best 140 lbr in the world and unbeaten at the weight when Manny destroyed him and Ricky had just come off a one sided beat down of Malinaggi

Cotto is prime, is a huge body puncher (The spot everyone swore he would break Manny down with), Cotto holds wins over the Ring Champ at WW Mosley, Former champ Quintana b(one sided) Beat Clottey in a tough tough fight and even dropped the iron Jawed native of Ghana.

Fact is Manny has beaten all these guys with ease, easier then I have seen Mayweather beat anyone since Gatti!!!!!

Now Pacquiao nut huggers annoy the shit out of me but I'll be damned if I will just agree with any of the bullshit excuses on why Manny is doing so well.

Pacquiao is walking through these guys because he is just that good!!!

Nothing more nothing less and with the amount of money that could be made in a fight Vs Floyd there is a reason why Floyd is not jumping at this like a kid in the candy store.

And it's certainly not because he is a bigger draw then Manny at the moment

Roach said Hatton was washed up and one dimensional. Roach said Oscar was past it and would fade. Roach said Cotto isn't the same fighter as he was before the Tony fight. It seems to me Roach was smart enough to pick the right fighters for Manny at this point. Props for Manny for handling his business...but Mayweather is a huge step up in quality. Different fighters win in different ways. Pac's wins seem more impressive because he is an offensive/all action fighter. Floyd doesn't have to knock his opponents out. He technically dismantles them. I am not saying any of this as a fan or hater of either fighter. Just saying...as impressive as Pac has been...for me...the BEST fighter he has faced to this point of his career is Marquez. And those where two pick em fights. You could say Manny could beat Marquez easier now...but we really don't know unless they fight again. The Floyd vs. Pac fight will truly determine who is the pfp champ. And that is a fight that is going to happen because the market demands it!! Not because Roach thinks it will suit Pac's strengths.

Good points and well backed up statements, I give credit for not just using any random excuse for your not thinking Manny is a good as it seems.,

The statements of Roach have even been said about Floyd, though not the downslide or not the same fighter as he once was part but he has stated Floyd was over rated.

My comments were more or less based on the faqct that until Manny is proven other then what he is maybe people (No one in particular because I have heard writers at other fights in the press room use stupid reasoning as well) should just give him credit.