Boxing is back big time.

[JazMerkin]

Geezus Lyle this is getting a bit creepy. I don't even know if the grin smilie was appropriate there.

...so I'm out of line in saying that David Haye (given his performance vs Valuev) is not "Bringing Boxing Back"

I'm sorry, the guy ran his mouth before the fight saying how "The heavyweights are boring, the heavyweights need excitement, BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH" and he puts out that performance (broken hand or not) and then his fans expect everyone else to respect that piece of shit?!?!?! He doesn't know the meaning of the word OUTSIDE the ring, he certainly showed enough respect for Valuev's power IN the ring.

Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather are HUGE PPV draws while David Haye is a regional celebrity and that is a FACT.


Oh but I am soooo sorry, I extend my heartfelt appologies to David Haye and all his little fans, I should never have spoken evil of such a marvelous fighter

But Haye did 1m PPV sales for his last fight, so regardless of where it is, he's a PPV draw. They print money over here too you know.

He's nowhere near the star that they are yet, but he's at a very different point in his career. They're both a fight or two away from retirement. Is he a bigger star than Pacquiao after beating Barrera or Mayweather after beating Castillo? I'd argue that by virtue of his weightclass he is.

Golden Boy would not have had him out before the Pacquiao-Cotto fight if they didn't think he was going to be a success.

[El Kabong]

Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather are known by your average everyday Joe Sixpack on the street....meanwhile David Haye would likely be met with the response "Who?".

Sorry I just don't see any reason to compare David Haye with Floyd and Manny it's ridiculous UNLESS you're talking about boxing in England and if that's the case wouldn't the fighters in that back and forth fight the other week deserve a mention I cannot recall their names.

[JazMerkin]

Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather are known by your average everyday Joe Sixpack on the street....meanwhile David Haye would likely be met with the response "Who?".

Sorry I just don't see any reason to compare David Haye with Floyd and Manny it's ridiculous UNLESS you're talking about boxing in England and if that's the case wouldn't the fighters in that back and forth fight the other week deserve a mention I cannot recall their names.

The world exists outside America. You started complaining about RJJ, but the fact is Haye has become huge over the past week. He's on the cover of everything, we've had news crews down at my gym all week about him.

I clearly was talking about Britain, when I said 'they print money over here too'. I agree Pac & PBF are far bigger stars, probably even over here, but look at the differing stages of their career. Also 1m people bought his PPV against Valuev, can you not see that as positive for boxing? Even if it is in little old England.

[Kirkland Laing]

Two nice "boxing is back" articles that are worth a look :

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/15/sp...xing.html?_r=1

Off the ropes, and back into the ring – boxing makes unlikely comeback in schools and clubs | Sport | The Guardian

[rjj tszyu]

Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather are known by your average everyday Joe Sixpack on the street....meanwhile David Haye would likely be met with the response "Who?".

Sorry I just don't see any reason to compare David Haye with Floyd and Manny it's ridiculous UNLESS you're talking about boxing in England and if that's the case wouldn't the fighters in that back and forth fight the other week deserve a mention I cannot recall their names.

The world exists outside America. You started complaining about RJJ, but the fact is Haye has become huge over the past week. He's on the cover of everything, we've had news crews down at my gym all week about him.

I clearly was talking about Britain, when I said 'they print money over here too'. I agree Pac & PBF are far bigger stars, probably even over here, but look at the differing stages of their career. Also 1m people bought his PPV against Valuev, can you not see that as positive for boxing? Even if it is in little old England.

To say there is about 5 times less people in the UK to america I think 1 million PPV sales is very impressive, but Lyle doesn't think it is so it mustn't be! I wonder if Klitschko sold that many PPV's in the UK whether that would be impressive??

[0james0]

Like him or not, if the fight with a Klitshco gets made, it will be THE BIGGEST heavyweight fight for many years.

Worldwide PPV will be one of the biggest, if not the biggest, in heavyweight history. Most the PPV buyers will be from Europe, but thats only because the US doesn't have any decent heavyweights to catch their attention.

The nail was hit perfectly on the head, Haye is in a very different stage of his career. Plus, what more can he do to impress people? He unified a division, then moved up a weight and began calling out the best fighters in that weight. He's now beaten one of them and only has 2 left to beat. You cannot argue with what he is doing. He is making a name for himself (although often goes about it by running his mouth)

Plus the Valuev fight, Holyfield did the same approach, just not as good and got a pat on the back for a good effort. Haye did it and won, but gets no credit.

Mayweather took a similar approach against Marquez (similar not the same) but gets labeled as the best ever. Counter punching and in out tactics were the olny way to beat a guy like that

[rjj tszyu]

Like him or not, if the fight with a Klitshco gets made, it will be THE BIGGEST heavyweight fight for many years.

Worldwide PPV will be one of the biggest, if not the biggest, in heavyweight history. Most the PPV buyers will be from Europe, but thats only because the US doesn't have any decent heavyweights to catch their attention.

The nail was hit perfectly on the head, Haye is in a very different stage of his career. Plus, what more can he do to impress people? He unified a division, then moved up a weight and began calling out the best fighters in that weight. He's now beaten one of them and only has 2 left to beat. You cannot argue with what he is doing. He is making a name for himself (although often goes about it by running his mouth)

Plus the Valuev fight, Holyfield did the same approach, just not as good and got a pat on the back for a good effort. Haye did it and won, but gets no credit.

Mayweather took a similar approach against Marquez (similar not the same) but gets labeled as the best ever. Counter punching and in out tactics were the olny way to beat a guy like that

This post got me wondering. What is the biggest HW PPV in history? Is it Lewis-Tyson?

[HattonTheHammer]

Like him or not, if the fight with a Klitshco gets made, it will be THE BIGGEST heavyweight fight for many years.

Worldwide PPV will be one of the biggest, if not the biggest, in heavyweight history. Most the PPV buyers will be from Europe, but thats only because the US doesn't have any decent heavyweights to catch their attention.

The nail was hit perfectly on the head, Haye is in a very different stage of his career. Plus, what more can he do to impress people? He unified a division, then moved up a weight and began calling out the best fighters in that weight. He's now beaten one of them and only has 2 left to beat. You cannot argue with what he is doing. He is making a name for himself (although often goes about it by running his mouth)

Plus the Valuev fight, Holyfield did the same approach, just not as good and got a pat on the back for a good effort. Haye did it and won, but gets no credit.

Mayweather took a similar approach against Marquez (similar not the same) but gets labeled as the best ever. Counter punching and in out tactics were the olny way to beat a guy like that

This post got me wondering. What is the biggest HW PPV in history? Is it Lewis-Tyson?

My mate tells me Klitschko-Ibraghimov did 6million PPV sales stateside