Pac/Cotto PPV numbers Poll

[blegit]

You guys are missing my subtle underlying devious point. That Floyd is a fool for even attempting to try to get more than a 50-50 split

I caught your point but you're comparing 2 very different fights. Cotto is a full fledged welterweight, JMM is a lightweight. The world wanted to see if Pac could fight a 145 pound Cotto, PBF beating JMM was a given. Cotto is a much better draw than Marquez. These fights were incomparable. Just like Pac/Cotto beats Pac/Marquez 1 and 2 combined. The element of the unknown makes the fights incomparable.

I don't know if Cotto is/was much of a better PPV draw than Marquez. Cotto could headline sell outs at MSG, but his previous biggest sell was against Margarito who brought a big following and gave Cotto more exposure and plus word spread fast about the nature of the fight. Marquez has a huge following and of one of the traditionally strongest fan bases in the sport.


And of course Pac-Cotto beats Pac-JMM 1 and 2...both Pac and JMM had a fraction of the popularity then that they do now.

It's not the element of the unknown. Every fight has that. It's not necessarily boxing fans that drive big PPV sales, a lot us just stream fights on a computer. Mainstream fans buy PPVs


Pacquiao is bigger than boxing right now and Mayweather is only as big as boxing lets him be

This is as plain as I can put it. Fresh out of retirement, do you really believe PBF/Marquez is a better buy than PBF/Cotto? Pac/Cotto did what it was expected to. PBF/Marquez did double what is was expected to. Lets keep it real.

[Cortez The Killer]

I caught your point but you're comparing 2 very different fights. Cotto is a full fledged welterweight, JMM is a lightweight. The world wanted to see if Pac could fight a 145 pound Cotto, PBF beating JMM was a given. Cotto is a much better draw than Marquez. These fights were incomparable. Just like Pac/Cotto beats Pac/Marquez 1 and 2 combined. The element of the unknown makes the fights incomparable.

I don't know if Cotto is/was much of a better PPV draw than Marquez. Cotto could headline sell outs at MSG, but his previous biggest sell was against Margarito who brought a big following and gave Cotto more exposure and plus word spread fast about the nature of the fight. Marquez has a huge following and of one of the traditionally strongest fan bases in the sport.


And of course Pac-Cotto beats Pac-JMM 1 and 2...both Pac and JMM had a fraction of the popularity then that they do now.

It's not the element of the unknown. Every fight has that. It's not necessarily boxing fans that drive big PPV sales, a lot us just stream fights on a computer. Mainstream fans buy PPVs


Pacquiao is bigger than boxing right now and Mayweather is only as big as boxing lets him be

This is as plain as I can put it. Fresh out of retirement, do you really believe PBF/Marquez is a better buy than PBF/Cotto? Pac/Cotto did what it was expected to. PBF/Marquez did double what is was expected to. Lets keep it real.

Are you kidding me? I never said that. Pac-Cotto was 10 times the buy. Are you messing with me? You just switched and took my argument!

Im saying Pacquiaos a bigger draw than mayweather. And that Mayweather Marquez had just as much promotional money behind is as Pac-Cotto.

[blegit]

I don't know if Cotto is/was much of a better PPV draw than Marquez. Cotto could headline sell outs at MSG, but his previous biggest sell was against Margarito who brought a big following and gave Cotto more exposure and plus word spread fast about the nature of the fight. Marquez has a huge following and of one of the traditionally strongest fan bases in the sport.


And of course Pac-Cotto beats Pac-JMM 1 and 2...both Pac and JMM had a fraction of the popularity then that they do now.

It's not the element of the unknown. Every fight has that. It's not necessarily boxing fans that drive big PPV sales, a lot us just stream fights on a computer. Mainstream fans buy PPVs


Pacquiao is bigger than boxing right now and Mayweather is only as big as boxing lets him be

This is as plain as I can put it. Fresh out of retirement, do you really believe PBF/Marquez is a better buy than PBF/Cotto? Pac/Cotto did what it was expected to. PBF/Marquez did double what is was expected to. Lets keep it real.

Are you kidding me? I never said that. Pac-Cotto was 10 times the buy. Are you messing with me? You just switched and took my argument!

Im saying Pacquiaos a bigger draw than mayweather. And that Mayweather Marquez had just as much promotional money behind is as Pac-Cotto.

No, no, no. You misunderstood me a bit here. I know you didn't say what you have in bold. But indirectly you did. You're saying Pac is a better PPV draw than PBF because Pac/Cotto did better than PBF/Marquez. I am saying that Cotto and Marquez are two different draws. Therefore, PBF/Cotto would have been a much better draw than PBF/Marquez. Just like Pac/Cotto was. If you compare fights, which you shouldn't, then look at PBF/Hatton PBF/DLH PBF/Marquez in comparison to Pac/Hatton Pac/DLH Pac/Marquez. PBF versus all three common opponents drew more in each case. You can't compare PBF/DLH to Pac/Cotto and say PBF is a better draw than Pac just like you can't compare PBF/Marquez either.

[Cortez The Killer]

This is as plain as I can put it. Fresh out of retirement, do you really believe PBF/Marquez is a better buy than PBF/Cotto? Pac/Cotto did what it was expected to. PBF/Marquez did double what is was expected to. Lets keep it real.

Are you kidding me? I never said that. Pac-Cotto was 10 times the buy. Are you messing with me? You just switched and took my argument!

Im saying Pacquiaos a bigger draw than mayweather. And that Mayweather Marquez had just as much promotional money behind is as Pac-Cotto.

No, no, no. You misunderstood me a bit here. I know you didn't say what you have in bold. But indirectly you did. You're saying Pac is a better PPV draw than PBF because Pac/Cotto did better than PBF/Marquez. I am saying that Cotto and Marquez are two different draws. Therefore, PBF/Cotto would have been a much better draw than PBF/Marquez. Just like Pac/Cotto was. If you compare fights, which you shouldn't, then look at PBF/Hatton PBF/DLH PBF/Marquez in comparison to Pac/Hatton Pac/DLH Pac/Marquez. PBF versus all three common opponents drew more in each case. You can't compare PBF/DLH to Pac/Cotto.

OK, i get ya. I already tried to make these point but maybe you missed them or i wasnt clear:

1) Marquez and Cotto don't differ that much in terms of PPV draw. Small advantage for Cotto

2) Mayweather Marquez had all the promotion in the world behind it. The fact that there was little interest in the fight made HBO and MGM pull out all the stops on promotion. Cotto-Pacquiao would've promoted itself, and no way more was spent promoting Cotto-Pacquiao than was spend on Mayweather-Marquez.

3) Cotto pacquiao was $54.99, PBF-JMM was $49.99. Not much, but if the price raises there would typically be less sales, and the opposite happened.

4) Cotto Pacquiao is probably going to do 300-500k more sales that PBF last fight.

5)Pacquiao is a much bigger draw than floyd and even if floyd gets a 51 percent cut it's too much

[blegit]

Are you kidding me? I never said that. Pac-Cotto was 10 times the buy. Are you messing with me? You just switched and took my argument!

Im saying Pacquiaos a bigger draw than mayweather. And that Mayweather Marquez had just as much promotional money behind is as Pac-Cotto.

No, no, no. You misunderstood me a bit here. I know you didn't say what you have in bold. But indirectly you did. You're saying Pac is a better PPV draw than PBF because Pac/Cotto did better than PBF/Marquez. I am saying that Cotto and Marquez are two different draws. Therefore, PBF/Cotto would have been a much better draw than PBF/Marquez. Just like Pac/Cotto was. If you compare fights, which you shouldn't, then look at PBF/Hatton PBF/DLH PBF/Marquez in comparison to Pac/Hatton Pac/DLH Pac/Marquez. PBF versus all three common opponents drew more in each case. You can't compare PBF/DLH to Pac/Cotto.

OK, i get ya. I already tried to make these point but maybe you missed them or i wasnt clear:

1) Marquez and Cotto don't differ that much in terms of PPV draw. Small advantage for Cotto

2) Mayweather Marquez had all the promotion in the world behind it. The fact that there was little interest in the fight made HBO and MGM pull out all the stops on promotion. Cotto-Pacquiao would've promoted itself, and no way more was spent promoting Cotto-Pacquiao than was spend on Mayweather-Marquez.

3) Cotto pacquiao was $54.99, PBF-JMM was $49.99. Not much, but if the price raises there would typically be less sales, and the opposite happened.

4) Cotto Pacquiao is probably going to do 300-500k more sales that PBF last fight.

5)Pacquiao is a much bigger draw than floyd and even if floyd gets a 51 percent cut it's too much

Okay, you just said there was little interest in the PBF/Marquez fight and Pac/Cotto would've promoted itself. That is what I was saying. PBF/Marquez had no excitement to it. It was two counterpunchers and the much better one had a 2 weight class advantage. The outcome was already written on the wall. And how are you getting that Pac is a much bigger draw? Just the Pac/Cotto fight, right? You state Cotto and Marquez are little difference in draw. Hatton is a much better draw than Marquez, right? Well, PBF/Marquez did better than Pac/Hatton. So should I concluded that PBF is a bigger draw than Pac? I am showing you much more evidence to back up that PBF is a bigger draw. But I still agree with you to this point. PBF shouldn't get 51% Neither one is DLH or Tyson and the fight should be a 50/50 split.

[C-Lo]

So....

...Pac outsold "Money." I hope the official announcement comes soon cause then what does he say next? He self proclaims himself the "Cash Cow," "All roads lead to Mayweather," etc. How about a humble fighter comes out of nowhere, steals your P4P ranking, spotlight, PPV buys and your number of titles in different weight divisions. What now?