How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?

[purtyboy]

Well first of all this is not an anti-pac thread. I feel Pac would of done the same at 147. I just don't see how he could have won the 147 title at 145.. Usually when a boxer comes 1 or 2 pounds under the limit the titles are not on the line. Which leads me to my question.. What are the rules, can you fight for the 147 title at 140 ? First of all catchweights suck but to be able to win titles at heavier weights without fighting at them is B/S... This opens up all possibilities...

It's not called 147 belt. It's called a welterweight title. Welterweight is anywhere from 141-147. The fight was negotiated at 145, so it's a welterweight fight. If you go over 147, it's called over weight!!! Got it kid?

lol stfu you pac nut hugger... 147 is the maximum WELTER WEIGHT LIMIT not the LIGHT welter or SUPER lightweight.. if that is the case let's eliminate LIGHT and SUPER and just have a 10 pound divison class.... got it kid?

*edit replaced minimum typo*

[fan johnny]

Well first of all this is not an anti-pac thread. I feel Pac would of done the same at 147. I just don't see how he could have won the 147 title at 145.. Usually when a boxer comes 1 or 2 pounds under the limit the titles are not on the line. Which leads me to my question.. What are the rules, can you fight for the 147 title at 140 ? First of all catchweights suck but to be able to win titles at heavier weights without fighting at them is B/S... This opens up all possibilities...

It's not called 147 belt. It's called a welterweight title. Welterweight is anywhere from 141-147. The fight was negotiated at 145, so it's a welterweight fight. If you go over 147, it's called over weight!!! Got it kid?

lol stfu you pac nut hugger... 147 is the minimum WELTER WEIGHT LIMIT not the LIGHT welter or SUPER lightweight.. if that is the case let's eliminate LIGHT and SUPER and just have a 10 pound divison class.... got it kid?

[did you mean Maximum?]

[Pacdbest2]

Well first of all this is not an anti-pac thread. I feel Pac would of done the same at 147. I just don't see how he could have won the 147 title at 145.. Usually when a boxer comes 1 or 2 pounds under the limit the titles are not on the line. Which leads me to my question.. What are the rules, can you fight for the 147 title at 140 ? First of all catchweights suck but to be able to win titles at heavier weights without fighting at them is B/S... This opens up all possibilities...

It's not called 147 belt. It's called a welterweight title. Welterweight is anywhere from 141-147. The fight was negotiated at 145, so it's a welterweight fight. If you go over 147, it's called over weight!!! Got it kid?

lol stfu you pac nut hugger... 147 is the minimum WELTER WEIGHT LIMIT not the LIGHT welter or SUPER lightweight.. if that is the case let's eliminate LIGHT and SUPER and just have a 10 pound divison class.... got it kid?

147 is the maximum at welter Stupid!!!

[purtyboy]

It's not called 147 belt. It's called a welterweight title. Welterweight is anywhere from 141-147. The fight was negotiated at 145, so it's a welterweight fight. If you go over 147, it's called over weight!!! Got it kid?

lol stfu you pac nut hugger... 147 is the minimum WELTER WEIGHT LIMIT not the LIGHT welter or SUPER lightweight.. if that is the case let's eliminate LIGHT and SUPER and just have a 10 pound divison class.... got it kid?

147 is the maximum at welter Stupid!!!

It's the 147 title you fucking moron

[OumaFan]

all right, lets keep this one on the main board


I just ignore the belts for the most part personally

[JazMerkin]

lol stfu you pac nut hugger... 147 is the minimum WELTER WEIGHT LIMIT not the LIGHT welter or SUPER lightweight.. if that is the case let's eliminate LIGHT and SUPER and just have a 10 pound divison class.... got it kid?

147 is the maximum at welter Stupid!!!

It's the 147 title you fucking moron that is why i said MINIMUM ofcourse it's the maximum aswell!

Sorry, he's right. The minimum would be anything over 140.1lbs. The maximum is 147lbs on the dot.

If you could only weigh 147lbs, then Cotto wouldn't have been the champion because he weighed less for his last 2 fights.

[Rantcatrat]

Well first of all this is not an anti-pac thread. I feel Pac would of done the same at 147. I just don't see how he could have won the 147 title at 145.. Usually when a boxer comes 1 or 2 pounds under the limit the titles are not on the line. Which leads me to my question.. What are the rules, can you fight for the 147 title at 140 ? First of all catchweights suck but to be able to win titles at heavier weights without fighting at them is B/S... This opens up all possibilities...

It's not called 147 belt. It's called a welterweight title. Welterweight is anywhere from 141-147. The fight was negotiated at 145, so it's a welterweight fight. If you go over 147, it's called over weight!!! Got it kid?

lol stfu you pac nut hugger... 147 is the minimum WELTER WEIGHT LIMIT not the LIGHT welter or SUPER lightweight.. if that is the case let's eliminate LIGHT and SUPER and just have a 10 pound divison class.... got it kid?

I don't see the point in catchweights either, but I think you're sort of both right. The weight limit for a welterweight fight is at 147, but the welterweight division by definition is anywhere between 141 and 147. Isn't a fight between A and B at 145 technically is a welterweight fight?

[0james0]

So for anyone who hasn't got it yet:

A welterweight fight is for anyone 147 or less.

Cotto was daft/ desperate enough to fight Manny to agree to have a 145 maximum for this fight. Had he had better negotiators or even cared then he could have weighed at anything up to 147.

The fact is Manny was a big money match and to do the fight he had to agree to his terms.

And yes a super flyweight could fight a heavyweight for their title.

[0james0]

Plus 2lbs is neither here nor there. You can shit 2lbs!

I've always though that anything within a few lbs wouldn't make all that much difference. But then havin nver boxed at a decent standard I may be a bit naive.

[JazMerkin]

So for anyone who hasn't got it yet:

A welterweight fight is for anyone 147 or less.

Cotto was daft/ desperate enough to fight Manny to agree to have a 145 maximum for this fight. Had he had better negotiators or even cared then he could have weighed at anything up to 147.

The fact is Manny was a big money match and to do the fight he had to agree to his terms.

And yes a super flyweight could fight a heavyweight for their title.

Nowadays I don't think that's still possible, I think there was a ruling in the late 80s that you had to also meet the minimum weight requirements to fight for a title. Might have been around the time of the Leonard-Duran rubber match.

As for the lb issue, when you have to make weight, it's those last few lbs that get you. I'm not saying this is the case with Cotto, but I think if it was say Mosley, then cutting down to 145 now would be very difficult for him. It all depends on what each individual's limit is.

[jamiebhoy]

So for anyone who hasn't got it yet:

A welterweight fight is for anyone 147 or less.

Cotto was daft/ desperate enough to fight Manny to agree to have a 145 maximum for this fight. Had he had better negotiators or even cared then he could have weighed at anything up to 147.

The fact is Manny was a big money match and to do the fight he had to agree to his terms.

And yes a super flyweight could fight a heavyweight for their title.

Nowadays I don't think that's still possible, I think there was a ruling in the late 80s that you had to also meet the minimum weight requirements to fight for a title. Might have been around the time of the Leonard-Duran rubber match.

As for the lb issue, when you have to make weight, it's those last few lbs that get you. I'm not saying this is the case with Cotto, but I think if it was say Mosley, then cutting down to 145 now would be very difficult for him. It all depends on what each individual's limit is.

Don't you reckon someone would have challenged for the HW title even if they weren't in the limit , say a SMW,or Cruiser ?? Why not, 'cause you can't.

As for Pac , he is the WW champ , no problem recognising him as such as he falls within the allowable weight bracket. The problem now lies in telling someone what they have to come in at inside a specific weight category. The sanctioning bodies ar ethe ones losing the control, they need to say here's the limit deal with it.

As for the previous comment about being able to crap 2lbs so what does it matter, where would you end that, does the same apply if you come in over the limit ? Waht is the result then, does the fight go ahead does the belt stay applicable ?

140 -147 , come in where you want , win, take the title. Don't tell the other guy what to weigh he can come in anywhere he wants .

[Kev]

I think you guys are just covering yourselves in red tape and letting rules and regulations blind you to common sense.

The fact that Manny fought Cotto at 145 really made no difference to our enjoyment of the fight.

The important thing is that the best fight the best where possible not that the rules and regulations of a sanctioning body or the strict traditions of a weight class get fully adhered to.

We are human beings not objects. None of us live permanently and only at one fixed weight who really gives a fuck if Manny and Floyd weigh 145 lbs when they fight or 147 lbs?

As long as it's not detrimental to either fighter to lose more weight than they are safely able to I don't care what weight they fight at, I just want to see the fight.

The weight classes exist to allow smaller fighters to fight for world titles against fighters of their own weight, and thus to recognised as the best in the world in their class.

Manny and Floyd have ALREADY proven themselves the best in the world in their weight class, we don't need a sanctioning belt to tell us that. Both Floyd and Manny have been succesful in multiple weight classes so let them fight at whatever weights they want.

As long as neither fighter is drained I really don't see why anyone gives a shit.

[killersheep]

I think you guys are just covering yourselves in red tape and letting rules and regulations blind you to common sense.

The fact that Manny fought Cotto at 145 really made no difference to our enjoyment of the fight.

The important thing is that the best fight the best where possible not that the rules and regulations of a sanctioning body or the strict traditions of a weight class get fully adhered to.

We are human beings not objects. None of us live permanently and only at one fixed weight who really gives a fuck if Manny and Floyd weigh 145 lbs when they fight or 147 lbs?

As long as it's not detrimental to either fighter to lose more weight than they are safely able to I don't care what weight they fight at, I just want to see the fight.

The weight classes exist to allow smaller fighters to fight for world titles against fighters of their own weight, and thus to recognised as the best in the world in their class.

Manny and Floyd have ALREADY proven themselves the best in the world in their weight class, we don't need a sanctioning belt to tell us that. Both Floyd and Manny have been succesful in multiple weight classes so let them fight at whatever weights they want.

As long as neither fighter is drained I really don't see why anyone gives a shit.

Well the thread topic is about the title and it's relativity to actual weight so yeah. Red tape suits for all!

[the_sacred_chilli]

the sanctioning board have nothing to do with the contract.

If there had been no contract and they both weighed in at 145, no issue.

If cotto had weighed in at 147 and manny at 145, then the fight would still have been sanctioned as a ww title fight.

on the case of a fly going for a hw title, i think you are technically correct but think that whoever is the medical team granting the license would refuse to allow it, idue to the danger faced by the lighter man.

that being said i swear years ago i heard a rumour of naseem wearing lead in his shorts so he weighed more for some fights. perhaps i just made that up. anycase he certainly doesnt need to do that now!

[the_sacred_chilli]

also i like this guy who thinks that 147lb is the min/max weight.

we have all heard of fighters weighing in at second or third attempt, having had to sweat off the last few ounces in between attempts, but imagine this:

a fighter weighing in at the second attempt having had to go to kfc and eat a family bucket, with all the trimmings, just to get up to this min/max limit.

awesome