Chinese delicacy, fried fish, still alive

[Fenster]

Not at all. It's fairly routine around here and most clean it this way. No biggie. I'm guessing there aren't too many people who fish on the board? We pretty much start as soon as we can walk here. I guess you could smash it over the head if it makes ya feel better, but really, it is any more or less moral sending it still alive that way, but sleeping? lol It has no clue what is going. itza dumb fish!

It might be fairly common round there but so is smashing a pickaxe in to a baby seals face, it doesn't make it right to do so.

It has no clue it can't breath? It's a living thing and you are cutting it's flesh away....it may be dumb and unable to discuss Sarte with me but so is half the board but it that dumb not to be under extreme stress.

So where do you draw the line? Is it right to throw a sharp jagged hook into the water and pull it out of its sustainable environment? (or netted pick your method...but now you are suffocating them at the least ) Have you ever fished? Do you ever eat fish?

It's just a way of cleaning and eating a food. Not done for the shock value. Even tho it is funny. Unless a person is a vegatarian and has zero meat in their diet, they are basically being a hypocrite imo.

It's just not common for most to see a fish moving like that when eating it, but it surely died some sorta death, quick, slow, gruesome, in one way or another to get to your plate.

It's not hypocritical to want to see the thing killed as humanely as possible. Some people wouldn't/don't eat meat unless they know where it's come from and how it's been snuffed out.

It doesn't matter what the animal is, if you are laughing at it's misery I would personally find that weird/wrong (unless it was HTH getting tortured).

[Youngblood]

It's not hypocritical to want to see the thing killed as humanely as possible.

What exactly is humanely? (I'll get back to this point) Do you know what is worse, to die by being slowly suffocated of oxygen, or thrown alive into hot oil? I imagine you have an opinion, but actually don't. They are both barbaric to happen to a human, correct? (It actually mean as humanly as possibly, or manner, the word, it doesn't mean delicate in nature, or less cruel)

And this is where humanly comes in further. We tend to look at things and consider if they were happening to us. But they aren't. This fish has no idea what is going on, it has no conscience. I could see if the fish was somehow lacking in nutritional value being cooked this way for entertainment...then I might say, well, that is stupid, why do that? But this isn't. It is the opposite. You're all just seeing what happens to your food. it dies, gets killed. I suspect it is everyone's deep-seeded shame working in overdrive here along with squeamishness, for if you like or ever ate fish and chips, you played a part as bad as these folks.

[HattonTheHammer]

It's not hypocritical to want to see the thing killed as humanely as possible.

What exactly is humanely? (I'll get back to this point) Do you know what is worse, to die by being slowly suffocated of oxygen, or thrown alive into hot oil? I imagine you have an opinion, but actually don't. They are both barbaric to happen to a human, correct? (It actually mean as humanly as possibly, or manner, the word, it doesn't mean delicate in nature, or less cruel)

And this is where humanly comes in further. We tend to look at things and consider if they were happening to us. But they aren't. This fish has no idea what is going on, it has no conscience. I could see if the fish was somehow lacking in nutritional value being cooked this way for entertainment...then I might say, well, that is stupid, why do that? But this isn't. It is the opposite. You're all just seeing what happens to your food. it dies, gets killed. I suspect it is everyone's deep-seeded shame working in overdrive here along with squeamishness, for if you like or ever ate fish and chips, you played a part as bad as these folks.

Agree completely

I rank people who needlesly harm both human and animals up there with child rapists and nonces.

Guys that throw pets off of cliffs exterminating a life just for a few seconds of fun, torturing a harmless creature just for your own personal pleasure knowing full well they cant tell you there in pain only cry for help.

I dont watch these kind of videos because theres a very evil, sinister element to them and i just dont find seeing something as lifeless as a fish being slowly killed in the most painful of ways amusing!!

[Fenster]

It's not hypocritical to want to see the thing killed as humanely as possible.

What exactly is humanely? (I'll get back to this point) Do you know what is worse, to die by being slowly suffocated of oxygen, or thrown alive into hot oil? I imagine you have an opinion, but actually don't. They are both barbaric to happen to a human, correct? (It actually mean as humanly as possibly, or manner, the word, it doesn't mean delicate in nature, or less cruel)

And this is where humanly comes in further. We tend to look at things and consider if they were happening to us. But they aren't. This fish has no idea what is going on, it has no conscience. I could see if the fish was somehow lacking in nutritional value being cooked this way for entertainment...then I might say, well, that is stupid, why do that? But this isn't. It is the opposite. You're all just seeing what happens to your food. it dies, gets killed. I suspect it is everyone's deep-seeded shame working in overdrive here along with squeamishness, for if you like or ever ate fish and chips, you played a part as bad as these folks.

You take the fish from the water you have control over it's life. You kill it quick putting it out of its misery or you take delight in watching its misery.

One is the humane, kind thing I would expect of someone the other is weird to me. Simple as.

[Youngblood]

You take the fish from the water you have control over it's life. You kill it quick putting it out of it's misery or you take delight in watching it's misery.

One is the humane thing to do the other is weird to me. Simple as.

Which brings me back to my point. How did your fish and chips meal die? Did it get dragged in a huge net into a boat and slowly suffocate? Most likely. Is this less traumatic on the fish then going straight into the oil? Either way it is getting to the oil.

I admire a person who actually goes out and gets/hunts and eats their own food, over a person who shops for theirs. Atleast they are assuming some responsibility for the act.

Memphis, while we can argue the scientific basis of consciousness in lower intelligence species, fish, spiders, etc., ( I argue that the fish doesn't know his sides are cut out, and is only reacting to it happening) this here, the peoples reactions, everyone in this thread who feels it is cruel, I again suggest it is shame driving it. And squeamishness. Plus a bit of the unknown, largely cultural differences.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

You take the fish from the water you have control over it's life. You kill it quick putting it out of it's misery or you take delight in watching it's misery.

One is the humane thing to do the other is weird to me. Simple as.

Which brings me back to my point. How did your fish and chips meal die? Did it get dragged in a huge net into a boat and slowly suffocate? Most likely. Is this less traumatic on the fish then going straight into the oil? Either way it is getting to the oil.

I admire a person who actually goes out and gets/hunts and eats their own food, over a person who shops for theirs. Atleast they are assuming some responsibility for the act.

Memphis, while we can argue the scientific basis of consciousness in lower intelligence species, fish, spiders, etc., ( I argue that the fish doesn't know his sides are cut out, and is only reacting to it happening) this here, the peoples reactions, everyone in this thread who feels it is cruel, I again suggest it is shame driving it. And squeamishness. Plus a bit of the unknown, largely cultural differences.

Which is reacting to getting its side sliced off!

Becoming Conscious About Fish Conscience

[Youngblood]

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Which is reacting to getting its side sliced off!

Becoming Conscious About Fish Conscience

Right. I am sure you are aware, the science field is fairly divided in where consciousness begins and ends in lower level intelligence species.

Basically, we feel a need to put the bar somewhere, as we humanize things, using ourselves as the ultimate example of consciousness. The complete lesser being a single cell of life.

If it wasn't completely impossible to sustain life without some form of nutrition, I bet there'd be anti-vegetarians too. But we can't, can we. That would essentially make us anti-food. And our species couldn't exist. So atleast we aren't that shameful of ourselves. "Don't eat the plants! They're alive!"

[Wayne]

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Which is reacting to getting its side sliced off!

Becoming Conscious About Fish Conscience

Right. I am sure you are aware, the science field is fairly divided in where consciousness begins and ends in lower level intelligence species.

Basically, we feel a need to put the bar somewhere, as we humanize things, using ourselves as the ultimate example of consciousness. The complete lesser being a single cell of life.

If it wasn't completely impossible to sustain life without some form of nutrition, I bet there'd be anti-vegetarians too. But we can't, can we. That would essentially make us anti-food. And our species couldn't exist. So atleast we aren't that shameful of ourselves. "Don't eat the plants! They're alive!"

My friend, you must not ever have heard of the Breatharians.

[Fenster]

You take the fish from the water you have control over it's life. You kill it quick putting it out of it's misery or you take delight in watching it's misery.

One is the humane thing to do the other is weird to me. Simple as.

Which brings me back to my point. How did your fish and chips meal die? Did it get dragged in a huge net into a boat and slowly suffocate? Most likely. Is this less traumatic on the fish then going straight into the oil? Either way it is getting to the oil.

I admire a person who actually goes out and gets/hunts and eats their own food, over a person who shops for theirs. Atleast they are assuming some responsibility for the act.

Memphis, while we can argue the scientific basis of consciousness in lower intelligence species, fish, spiders, etc., ( I argue that the fish doesn't know his sides are cut out, and is only reacting to it happening) this here, the peoples reactions, everyone in this thread who feels it is cruel, I again suggest it is shame driving it. And squeamishness. Plus a bit of the unknown, largely cultural differences.

I have absolutely no problem with people killing and eating their own food. I understand about mass caught fish.

My point is about the actions of the human. I don't understand why you would take delight in watching something die in a horrible way. Whether it's eating it alive or chucking it still living back into a lake.

I'm not saying you're a bad person. You grew up fishing. We come from completely different environments. What you find funny I find weird. That's all

[Youngblood]

[You grew up fishing. We come from completely different environments. What you find funny I find weird. That's all

That's my point, really. Most (the meat eaters) are reacting to this vid based on cultural differences. To see your food still be alive and be eating it, is, well, strange for most of us. I wouldn't like it myself, but I am trying to understand it.

[Memphis]

Is it an accident that fish (those strong enough to put up a fight) dive for whatever is growing in the river/lake and twist around it? Or that some throw themselves out of the water?

They know they've been caught, they know what to do to improve their chances of escape, and Im pretty sure they know they only have a head and a tail left when your camp mob have finished with them.

[JazMerkin]

It's not hypocritical to want to see the thing killed as humanely as possible. Some people wouldn't/don't eat meat unless they know where it's come from and how it's been snuffed out.

It doesn't matter what the animal is, if you are laughing at it's misery I would personally find that weird/wrong (unless it was HTH getting tortured).

I agree with every single word of this post.