Floyd-Pacquiao advantages/disadvantages

[ElTerribleMorales]

Here's my breakdown of the advantages/disadvantages for each boxer:

.......................Size - Floyd
..............Skills/Style - Floyd
...................Weight - Floyd
....................Reach - Floyd
...........Height/Taller - Floyd
................Accuracy - Floyd

.......................Age - Pacquiao
....................Power - Pacquiao
................Workrate - Pacquiao
Quality of Opponents - Pacquiao
.......Ring Experience - Pacquiao
.....................Heart - Pacquiao
....... Recent activity - Pacquiao

....................Speed - EVEN
.......Ring Generalship - EVEN
..................Stamina - EVEN
.......................Chin - EVEN
.........Corner/Trainer - EVEN


Discuss...

defense goes to Floyd as well, so does less wear and tear

as far as quality of opponents i dunno

Mayweather has:

Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Emanuel Agustus
Diego Corrales (when he was undefeated)
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Jose Luis Castillo (twice)
DeMarcus Corley
Arturo Gatti
Zab Judah
Carlos Baldomir (say what you will, he was the lineal champ)
Oscar De La Hoya (at 154)
Ricky Hatton (at 147)
Juan Manuel Marquez (jumped 2 divisions, while being lineal champ at 135)

Pacquiao has:

Lehlohonolo Ledwaba
Agapito Sanchez
Emmanuel Lucero
Marco Antonio Barrera (twice)
Erik Morales (1 loss, 2 wins)
Juan Manuel Marquez (1 draw, 1 win)
Oscar Larios (came up 2 divisions after a bad TKO Loss)
David Diaz
Oscar De La Hoya (at 147)
Ricky Hatton (at 140, Hatton's "best" weight)
Miguel Cotto (at 145 catchweight, IMO Pacquiao's best win)

all in all i'd actually say that they're about even in quality, given the big names, and when they took them on

I forgot about "Defense" and sure it goes to Floyd. We might as well include "Offense" which goes to Pacquiao. One thing that makes this fight very interesting since we have a defensive genius at one end and a well-oiled offensive machine on the other end.

I can accept that "quality of opponents" might be EVEN.

not really, IMO Mayweather puts combo's together better than Manny, and he has a wider variety of punches, he knocked Hatton out throwing a hook on the backfoot, i don't see Manny being able to do that, seeing how he basically lunges in and puts all of his body weight/force into his shots

[fanjohn]

defense goes to Floyd as well, so does less wear and tear

as far as quality of opponents i dunno

Mayweather has:

Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Emanuel Agustus
Diego Corrales (when he was undefeated)
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Jose Luis Castillo (twice)
DeMarcus Corley
Arturo Gatti
Zab Judah
Carlos Baldomir (say what you will, he was the lineal champ)
Oscar De La Hoya (at 154)
Ricky Hatton (at 147)
Juan Manuel Marquez (jumped 2 divisions, while being lineal champ at 135)

Pacquiao has:

Lehlohonolo Ledwaba
Agapito Sanchez
Emmanuel Lucero
Marco Antonio Barrera (twice)
Erik Morales (1 loss, 2 wins)
Juan Manuel Marquez (1 draw, 1 win)
Oscar Larios (came up 2 divisions after a bad TKO Loss)
David Diaz
Oscar De La Hoya (at 147)
Ricky Hatton (at 140, Hatton's "best" weight)
Miguel Cotto (at 145 catchweight, IMO Pacquiao's best win)

all in all i'd actually say that they're about even in quality, given the big names, and when they took them on

I forgot about "Defense" and sure it goes to Floyd. We might as well include "Offense" which goes to Pacquiao. One thing that makes this fight very interesting since we have a defensive genius at one end and a well-oiled offensive machine on the other end.

I can accept that "quality of opponents" might be EVEN.

not really, IMO Mayweather puts combo's together better than Manny, and he has a wider variety of punches, he knocked Hatton out throwing a hook on the backfoot, i don't see Manny being able to do that, seeing how he basically lunges in and puts all of his body weight/force into his shots

Putting everything on equal terms, Pacquiao put on a much better offensive performance on their common opponents (Oscar and Ricky). Pacquiao also throws punches in bunches from weird angles and position. That's why I considered his offense more lethal compared to Floyd.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I forgot about "Defense" and sure it goes to Floyd. We might as well include "Offense" which goes to Pacquiao. One thing that makes this fight very interesting since we have a defensive genius at one end and a well-oiled offensive machine on the other end.

I can accept that "quality of opponents" might be EVEN.

not really, IMO Mayweather puts combo's together better than Manny, and he has a wider variety of punches, he knocked Hatton out throwing a hook on the backfoot, i don't see Manny being able to do that, seeing how he basically lunges in and puts all of his body weight/force into his shots

Putting everything on equal terms, Pacquiao put on a much better offensive performance on their common opponents (Oscar and Ricky). Pacquiao also throws punches in bunches from weird angles and position. That's why I considered his offense more lethal compared to Floyd.

again DLH was a lot farther along when he took on Pacquiao than when he fought Mayweather

and Mayweather hit Marquez a lot more, a lot harder, and with a wider variety of punches than Pacquiao ever had, it's not just one way buddy

[fanjohn]

not really, IMO Mayweather puts combo's together better than Manny, and he has a wider variety of punches, he knocked Hatton out throwing a hook on the backfoot, i don't see Manny being able to do that, seeing how he basically lunges in and puts all of his body weight/force into his shots

Putting everything on equal terms, Pacquiao put on a much better offensive performance on their common opponents (Oscar and Ricky). Pacquiao also throws punches in bunches from weird angles and position. That's why I considered his offense more lethal compared to Floyd.

again DLH was a lot farther along when he took on Pacquiao than when he fought Mayweather

and Mayweather hit Marquez a lot more, a lot harder, and with a wider variety of punches than Pacquiao ever had, it's not just one way buddy

It's 2 (Oscar & Ricky) against 1 (JMM) so at minimum, Pacquiao has the edge.

Pacquiao is also well known to destroy his opponents by winning via KO/TKO. He has a higher KO percentage compared to Floyd. You have to give the "offense" factor to Pacquiao even if it's only a slight advantage.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Putting everything on equal terms, Pacquiao put on a much better offensive performance on their common opponents (Oscar and Ricky). Pacquiao also throws punches in bunches from weird angles and position. That's why I considered his offense more lethal compared to Floyd.

again DLH was a lot farther along when he took on Pacquiao than when he fought Mayweather

and Mayweather hit Marquez a lot more, a lot harder, and with a wider variety of punches than Pacquiao ever had, it's not just one way buddy

It's 2 (Oscar & Ricky) against 1 (JMM) so at minimum, Pacquiao has the edge.

Pacquiao is also well known to destroy his opponents by winning via KO/TKO. He has a higher KO percentage compared to Floyd. You have to give the "offense" factor to Pacquiao even if it's only a slight advantage.

if anything it's 1 to 1 cause given how shot Oscar was it shouldn't even be counted, cause going by logic hell Khan should get the edge over Pac cause he pretty much had Barrera on the ropes and not doing much (although it was more cause of the cut than anything) , Floyd would probably take David Diaz out a lot quicker than Manny did, would it prove anything? no

offense isn't measured by power alone, it's measured on your ability to put your punches together and land, IMO the more accurate of the two is Floyd, and the way he lands at will against world class opposition and makes it look easy gives him the edge in offense

[Fenster]

.......................Age - Pacquiao
....................Power - Pacquiao
................Workrate - Pacquiao
Quality of Opponents - Pacquiao
.......Ring Experience - Pacquiao
.....................Heart - Pacquiao
....... Recent activity - Pacquiao


Not one of those things are a negative for Floyd.

[Gandalf]

I reckon that they both have advantages and disadvantages.

[fanjohn]

.......................Age - Pacquiao
....................Power - Pacquiao
................Workrate - Pacquiao
Quality of Opponents - Pacquiao
.......Ring Experience - Pacquiao
.....................Heart - Pacquiao
....... Recent activity - Pacquiao


Not one of those things are a negative for Floyd.

You got a point maybe except "workrate". Floyd got to throw more against someone like Pacquiao who has an excellent workrate.

[jahmez]

not really, IMO Mayweather puts combo's together better than Manny, and he has a wider variety of punches, he knocked Hatton out throwing a hook on the backfoot, i don't see Manny being able to do that,

I agree that Mayweather has a wider variety of punches but I don't understand how someone can argue that he is a better combination puncher. In my opinion he is a potshotter who only begins to put together combos in the later rounds as a result of earlier strategic feints and single punches. It is only after he has controlled the range, the pace the fight is fought and timed his opponents that he begins to open up and even then they are usually 2 punch combinations. A good example of this is how he began landing left jab to the solar plexus, straight right combos against De la Hoya in the "championshop rounds". He had feinted left jabs to the head then landed left jabs to the body in the earlier rounds. Later on he disturbed De la Hoya's timing by leaving his left glove in his face before jabbing the body and landing straight rights. I don't remember him landing the combos that Pacquiao did against Hatton or De la Hoya (yes I know he was weight drained) and I don't see him doing it against Cotto. Technically Mayweather could but his lack of power and mentality make it more intelligent for him to potshot. I also don't understand how he can have the same stamina as Pacquiao. Sure we've never seen him tired but when has Pacquiao faded? Who has the higher workrate?

[zhubin]

not really, IMO Mayweather puts combo's together better than Manny, and he has a wider variety of punches, he knocked Hatton out throwing a hook on the backfoot, i don't see Manny being able to do that,

I agree that Mayweather has a wider variety of punches but I don't understand how someone can argue that he is a better combination puncher. In my opinion he is a potshotter who only begins to put together combos in the later rounds as a result of earlier strategic feints and single punches. It is only after he has controlled the range, the pace the fight is fought and timed his opponents that he begins to open up and even then they are usually 2 punch combinations. A good example of this is how he began landing left jab to the solar plexus, straight right combos against De la Hoya in the "championshop rounds". He had feinted left jabs to the head then landed left jabs to the body in the earlier rounds. Later on he disturbed De la Hoya's timing by leaving his left glove in his face before jabbing the body and landing straight rights. I don't remember him landing the combos that Pacquiao did against Hatton or De la Hoya (yes I know he was weight drained) and I don't see him doing it against Cotto. Technically Mayweather could but his lack of power and mentality make it more intelligent for him to potshot. I also don't understand how he can have the same stamina as Pacquiao. Sure we've never seen him tired but when has Pacquiao faded? Who has the higher workrate?

Pac does have great stamina...especially considering how active he is in he ring. But Floyd's stamina is as good as any fighters...for all of his arrogance and flash...the man trains incredibly hard. Another thing about Floyd is that his body is relaxed. He is so light on his feet, so fluid...you rarely see him in a state of tension...which of course conserves energy. Will he be able to maintain that state against a relentless fighter like Manny...not sure. But Floyd doesn't care how he wins...if he needs to be defensive and run...he will. He will not be lulled into a brawl. And Manny...for all of his toughness and athletic brilliance...is very hittable. Because the speed factor will not be in Pac's favor in this fight as compared to his other recent bouts...i will have to say Floyd's superior skill and ability to adapt will make him the favorite. But Manny has tremendous momentum...and Floyd has not faced a prime, great fighter in a very long time (and some will argue he has never faced a GREAT prime fighter). So should be great fight.