"THE BLUEPRINT: How To Beat Floyd Mayweather"

[fanjohn]

Interesting read. Thanks TS for sharing.

[Taeth]

I think this guy is making a ton of mistakes when he considers Mayweather. Just to name a few.

1. Mayweather does tend to bend at the waste, but its almost always under the jab and he moves in close and smothers his opponent.
2. When Mayweather fought Castillo he didn't use to hold or throw his right hand as much, now if a guy didn't throw punches Floyd would keep them away as best he could with jab, but he would also potshot and hold them if he became bothered.
3. THe thing about feinting a right then throwing a left against Floyd wouldn't work, he doesn't move his right hand over to block the cross, he uses his shoulder, that means his right hand is still there to block the left hook that is coming in, but more importantly he is usually moving back out of the range and the left hook would fall far short.
4. Mayweather's defense I don't think is probability based, at least not on a conscious level, I've seen guys use so many different rhythms and combinations and angles against him, and he dodges them all.
5. He is thinking that guys are using the wrong strategy when he isn't considering that Mayweather is adapting and making in-fight changes to his style.

I think you can beat Mayweather, but you have to be built like Hearns or Paul Williams, or Sugar Ray Robinson. Guys who are much taller with similar speed to Floyd. I think Paul WIlliam's one problem is that he is terrible against movement, whiel I think Floyd would back Manny up, I don't think he would try to stand and fight Williams, I think he would move away and pot shot Williams because he has awkward moments where he is easy to catch if you are quick enough.

[Cortez The Killer]

This is some deep psychoanalysis. The author must be a clinical psychologist or psychiatrist or something.

I think there's a relatively new field called sports psychology. Interesting if it works, to analyze your opponents weaknesses and break them down physically, mentally, and emotionally

[Nameless]

This is a very good read but I see a problem:

If you make things too complicated, it means that it'll involve so many things that one can lose the focus on the essential in the end. i am not saying what he says is wrong, there is a lot of interesting facts into the thing but if I would be Roach, I would make it a bit simpler than that.
I agree that somebody built like williams would be better designed for the task of beating Floyd but I think that throwing a lot of shots and having the power to intimidate him are 2 keys elements to beat Floyd as he tends to back up a bit in these moments (a bit like the first fight with castillo or some parts of the match against sharmba Mitchell). Pacman has the speed and timing to land some serious bombs, it's gonna be very tough but I think he has some of the required tools to make it or at least, to believe in it.

[deadlypete]

interesting read....wether floyd is emtionally fragile due to a crazy overbearing papa needing a eunch like soothing encouraging uncle to fill in that void of rejection and confusion is well a load of frackn shit.....
Floyd is just a beautiful complete fighter incredibly intelligent very versatile can work out a fight plan even when in the ring...is not a robot like alot of boxers but has the talent to make adjustments against any oppenent in the ring.....and floyd is honest he is in their to make moni and thats the name of the game....and i personally would love to c him fight manny as this will truly secure his greatness as the complete undefted package.....floyd to beat manny easily

[Kel]

interesting read....wether floyd is emtionally fragile due to a crazy overbearing papa needing a eunch like soothing encouraging uncle to fill in that void of rejection and confusion is well a load of frackn shit.....
Floyd is just a beautiful complete fighter incredibly intelligent very versatile can work out a fight plan even when in the ring...is not a robot like alot of boxers but has the talent to make adjustments against any oppenent in the ring.....and floyd is honest he is in their to make moni and thats the name of the game....and i personally would love to c him fight manny as this will truly secure his greatness as the complete undefted package.....floyd to beat manny easily

So when he says he is back for the love of the sport you admit he is a lying cunt?

[Taeth]

This is a very good read but I see a problem:

If you make things too complicated, it means that it'll involve so many things that one can lose the focus on the essential in the end. i am not saying what he says is wrong, there is a lot of interesting facts into the thing but if I would be Roach, I would make it a bit simpler than that.
I agree that somebody built like williams would be better designed for the task of beating Floyd but I think that throwing a lot of shots and having the power to intimidate him are 2 keys elements to beat Floyd as he tends to back up a bit in these moments (a bit like the first fight with castillo or some parts of the match against sharmba Mitchell). Pacman has the speed and timing to land some serious bombs, it's gonna be very tough but I think he has some of the required tools to make it or at least, to believe in it.

Floyd hardly backed up at all against Sharmba Mitchell, and Castillo didn't throw a lot of punches, at least not from the outside.

I guess there are two ways to beat Floyd, but one of them is to beat him on the scorecards which most of the fans wouldn't consider beating him at all, and thats just to throw a lot of punches and hope that judges score the fight for you due to aggression and output. Oscar almost succeeded in this.

I think there have a been a few fighters who have almost had the blueprint to beat Mayweather, if Oscar had truly elite speed, or if Mosley had a better outside game, or if Winky wasn't so stationary and one handed, even when he fought Mosley twice, I just think Floyd would be able to stay away from him and potshot him all night. I think it takes more than a style, but also great athlete to also beat Floyd convincingly. If they are orthodox they have to have a great jab, be bigger than him and throw a ton of combinations with lightning quickness. If they are southpaw then they have to have elite speed, be elusive and throw in bunches, preferably with a greater reach than Floyd.

I just think a guy like Whitaker would create a few more problems than Pacquiao for Floyd if he had a little more speed. I don't think Pernell was quite fast enough to land that lead left, and its so hard to work the jab even as good as his was against Floyd when its southpaw vs orthodox.

An interesting fight for me would be Berto vs Mayweather. I think Andre is faster than Floyd, he has better range than Mosley because he throws good straight punches, while Mosley mostly throws hooks and an awkward jab. However, I haven't seen Berto make mid fight adjustments when its comes to stopping opponents from landing on him, or against Forbes, he didn't change up the tempo at all, and he had a hard time landing because the only time he moved was when he was going to throw punches and Forbes read this quite easily. If Berto truly learned how to feint and stay defensively accountable while maintain a good punch output(I don't mean squaring up and throwing stupid haymakers), I think he could give Floyd a lot new problems he hasn't had to solve yet.

[JonesJrMayweather]

This guy has made the same mistake that many of floyd opponents made..They believe that floyd sits in the kronk defense the entire fight. Floyd is only a matador after he gets the timing of his opponent and tastes their power. Once he registers those things then he goes into the shell and plays matador. But before that Floyd's hands are High and he uses his jab. This is why by the time he's in the shell he already has the fight won.

I think a good way to fight floyd if you find a guy quick enough would be to make him impatient. Much Like Tarver did Roy in the second fight, although I think it was sheer luck that it seemed to be a gameplan. Because Tarver admitted he just threw something. Nevertheless when you look at the Judah fight, when Judah wasn't leading but electing to counter early in the fight this made floyd lead and he was hit flush on a number of occasions and even (unofficially) dropped. It wasn't until he picked up the pace that Judah wasn't prepared for the onslaught of having to adjust quickly. A seasoned vet like Mosley would be able to. And a corner man like Roach would be able to give his fighter the advice on how to counter act this. Floyd is extremely patient and plans for long fights so to think you're going to beat him early is dumb because you'd have to have serious one punch power and no one at WW does. Nor do I think anyone has the total skillset to beat floyd. I just rather watch him fight to see him deal with new opponents. Although PAC and SHANE would be the most taxing.

[knodaledge]

Beating Floyd is like beating the game Space Invaders. You can't focus on what he's done but rather what he's going to do. Not where he is, but where he's going to be.

The guy has the skill to switch game plans anytime he sees fit. If you go into the fight with the mindset that "He'll do this & i'll do that to counter it" you've probably already lost.

To fight Mayweather is to fight many styles. He can fight at a distance, inside the pocket, etc. You have to prepare for what he's capable of doing. You'll need multiple game plans, and you have to make the transition into them flawlessly because trust he can and he will.

[Hughesd]

I really hope someone does end up beating Mayweather. Can you imagine what he will be like if he beats Pacquaio and Mosely ? His ego and mouth would be unbearable.

[Nameless]

This is a very good read but I see a problem:

If you make things too complicated, it means that it'll involve so many things that one can lose the focus on the essential in the end. i am not saying what he says is wrong, there is a lot of interesting facts into the thing but if I would be Roach, I would make it a bit simpler than that.
I agree that somebody built like williams would be better designed for the task of beating Floyd but I think that throwing a lot of shots and having the power to intimidate him are 2 keys elements to beat Floyd as he tends to back up a bit in these moments (a bit like the first fight with castillo or some parts of the match against sharmba Mitchell). Pacman has the speed and timing to land some serious bombs, it's gonna be very tough but I think he has some of the required tools to make it or at least, to believe in it.

Floyd hardly backed up at all against Sharmba Mitchell, and Castillo didn't throw a lot of punches, at least not from the outside.

I guess there are two ways to beat Floyd, but one of them is to beat him on the scorecards which most of the fans wouldn't consider beating him at all, and thats just to throw a lot of punches and hope that judges score the fight for you due to aggression and output. Oscar almost succeeded in this.

I think there have a been a few fighters who have almost had the blueprint to beat Mayweather, if Oscar had truly elite speed, or if Mosley had a better outside game, or if Winky wasn't so stationary and one handed, even when he fought Mosley twice, I just think Floyd would be able to stay away from him and potshot him all night. I think it takes more than a style, but also great athlete to also beat Floyd convincingly. If they are orthodox they have to have a great jab, be bigger than him and throw a ton of combinations with lightning quickness. If they are southpaw then they have to have elite speed, be elusive and throw in bunches, preferably with a greater reach than Floyd.

I just think a guy like Whitaker would create a few more problems than Pacquiao for Floyd if he had a little more speed. I don't think Pernell was quite fast enough to land that lead left, and its so hard to work the jab even as good as his was against Floyd when its southpaw vs orthodox.

An interesting fight for me would be Berto vs Mayweather. I think Andre is faster than Floyd, he has better range than Mosley because he throws good straight punches, while Mosley mostly throws hooks and an awkward jab. However, I haven't seen Berto make mid fight adjustments when its comes to stopping opponents from landing on him, or against Forbes, he didn't change up the tempo at all, and he had a hard time landing because the only time he moved was when he was going to throw punches and Forbes read this quite easily. If Berto truly learned how to feint and stay defensively accountable while maintain a good punch output(I don't mean squaring up and throwing stupid haymakers), I think he could give Floyd a lot new problems he hasn't had to solve yet.

The Berto analysis is interesting, however, The rounds Castillo threw a lot of shots (first fight), he really had Mayweather in problem on a few occasions. Idem with Mitchell, both paid for their inconsistency (and from robbery for Castillo 1) but if you recall, at the end of the Mitchell fight Mayweather's face was quite swollen as he got tag a few times and himself said that he got touched more often than he should. I agree it'll take somebody with enough power to get respected and an elite speed but even if the reach isn't greater, a solid jab can do him a lot of damage, like OScar did.... for like half of the fight before he took the game plan and shoved it to his a**

[Majesty]

Knowing is only half the battle. Floyd Mayweather Sr knows "How to beat Manny Pacquiao" and Ricky Hatton thought he had something with "right hook roll under" but come fight time, he couldn't counter it, and didn't listen to Floyd's instructions. Im sure many people have had a gameplan of beating Floyd but just because you know what he'll do doesn't mean you will be able to stop it.

[The Congressman]

Roach had the blueprint to beat Floyd. But Oscar didn't follow it.