Should we abolish the Royal family?

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Queue HMH

get rid of the royals
abolish the class divide
=
shariah law throughout the country within 50years!!

I can't figure out if this is stupid or genuis. It's a belter of a post that only Jaz has picked up on.

Sharia already exists in Britain is Muslim communities. I'm assuming your not a Muslim so i see no reason why this bothers you.

Jewish courts are also widely used in Jewish communities within the UK and have been for centuries.

I don't understand your problem.

Because, I can't believe I'm about to say this, I agree - sort of with HMH. There should NOT be a separate body deciding the fate of British subjects. I don't care if it's jewish or islamic. The issue that concerns many and I presume this is what HMH is getting his knickers in a knot is that there is a vocal minority who see Islam as a progressive religion who do want to see sharia law throughout the UK and for the UK to become an Islamic nation.

[BIG H]

get rid of the royals
abolish the class divide
=
shariah law throughout the country within 50years!!

I can't figure out if this is stupid or genuis. It's a belter of a post that only Jaz has picked up on.

Sharia already exists in Britain is Muslim communities. I'm assuming your not a Muslim so i see no reason why this bothers you.

Jewish courts are also widely used in Jewish communities within the UK and have been for centuries.

I don't understand your problem.

Because, I can't believe I'm about to say this, I agree - sort of with HMH. There should NOT be a separate body deciding the fate of British subjects. I don't care if it's jewish or islamic. The issue that concerns many and I presume this is what HMH is getting his knickers in a knot is that there is a vocal minority who see Islam as a progressive religion who do want to see sharia law throughout the UK and for the UK to become an Islamic nation.

Sorry but you lost all credibility and that point and anything subsquent is just void


Only joking HMH

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I can't figure out if this is stupid or genuis. It's a belter of a post that only Jaz has picked up on.

Sharia already exists in Britain is Muslim communities. I'm assuming your not a Muslim so i see no reason why this bothers you.

Jewish courts are also widely used in Jewish communities within the UK and have been for centuries.

I don't understand your problem.

Because, I can't believe I'm about to say this, I agree - sort of with HMH. There should NOT be a separate body deciding the fate of British subjects. I don't care if it's jewish or islamic. The issue that concerns many and I presume this is what HMH is getting his knickers in a knot is that there is a vocal minority who see Islam as a progressive religion who do want to see sharia law throughout the UK and for the UK to become an Islamic nation.

Sorry but you lost all credibility and that point and anything subsquent is just void


Only joking HMH

I'll get my burqa

[HattonTheHammer]

Because, I can't believe I'm about to say this, I agree - sort of with HMH. There should NOT be a separate body deciding the fate of British subjects. I don't care if it's jewish or islamic. The issue that concerns many and I presume this is what HMH is getting his knickers in a knot is that there is a vocal minority who see Islam as a progressive religion who do want to see sharia law throughout the UK and for the UK to become an Islamic nation.

Sorry but you lost all credibility and that point and anything subsquent is just void


Only joking HMH

I'll get my burqa

To be fair a lot of what i say including the above statement was aimed at getting a rise out of merkin

[Gandalf]

Sorry but you lost all credibility and that point and anything subsquent is just void


Only joking HMH

I'll get my burqa

To be fair a lot of what i say including the above statement was aimed at getting a rise out of merkin

That's all well and good, but are you here to just get a rise out of people or would you like to actually debate something?

I have given a number of substantial replies in this thread and instead of responding with anything of substance you have simply brushed it off by saying that I am not talking sense or "they are worth every penny" (regarding the Royals) or such ilk. I have no problems with you HTH, but if you would like to debate things instead of trolling, I might respect you a little more. I might not agree with Bilbo all the time, but I respect that he takes the time to post and actually try and give some kind of indication as to why he might diasgree with me.

[BIG H]

Miles has got the decorators in

[HattonTheHammer]

I'll get my burqa

To be fair a lot of what i say including the above statement was aimed at getting a rise out of merkin

That's all well and good, but are you here to just get a rise out of people or would you like to actually debate something?

I have given a number of substantial replies in this thread and instead of responding with anything of substance you have simply brushed it off by saying that I am not talking sense or "they are worth every penny" (regarding the Royals) or such ilk. I have no problems with you HTH, but if you would like to debate things instead of trolling, I might respect you a little more. I might not agree with Bilbo all the time, but I respect that he takes the time to post and actually try and give some kind of indication as to why he might diasgree with me.

Bit harsh if your suggesting im not actually against most of the things i claim to actually be

That particular post was a one off, someone laid it off for me and i stuck in the back of the net.

[Gandalf]

To be fair a lot of what i say including the above statement was aimed at getting a rise out of merkin

That's all well and good, but are you here to just get a rise out of people or would you like to actually debate something?

I have given a number of substantial replies in this thread and instead of responding with anything of substance you have simply brushed it off by saying that I am not talking sense or "they are worth every penny" (regarding the Royals) or such ilk. I have no problems with you HTH, but if you would like to debate things instead of trolling, I might respect you a little more. I might not agree with Bilbo all the time, but I respect that he takes the time to post and actually try and give some kind of indication as to why he might diasgree with me.

Bit harsh if your suggesting im not actually against most of the things i claim to actually be

That particular post was a one off, someone laid it off for me and i stuck in the back of the net.

Maybe I was a bit harsh. It has been suggested that I am menstruating, but I hope that this is not the case.

I suppose I just get annoyed when people give my thoughtful comments the once over with a frivolous one liner. It annoys me.

[Gandalf]

get rid of the royals
abolish the class divide
=
shariah law throughout the country within 50years!!

I can't figure out if this is stupid or genuis. It's a belter of a post that only Jaz has picked up on.

Sharia already exists in Britain is Muslim communities. I'm assuming your not a Muslim so i see no reason why this bothers you.

Jewish courts are also widely used in Jewish communities within the UK and have been for centuries.

I don't understand your problem.

Because, I can't believe I'm about to say this, I agree - sort of with HMH. There should NOT be a separate body deciding the fate of British subjects. I don't care if it's jewish or islamic. The issue that concerns many and I presume this is what HMH is getting his knickers in a knot is that there is a vocal minority who see Islam as a progressive religion who do want to see sharia law throughout the UK and for the UK to become an Islamic nation.

This I agree on too. Sharia law is not something I would like for Britain.

Edit: Though on reading HTH's original post, I find what he says to be somewhat ludicrous. The Royal family is what it is, I don't really equate abolishing it with accepting Islam with open arms.

[ono]

get rid of the royals
abolish the class divide
=
shariah law throughout the country within 50years!!

I can't figure out if this is stupid or genuis. It's a belter of a post that only Jaz has picked up on.

Sharia already exists in Britain is Muslim communities. I'm assuming your not a Muslim so i see no reason why this bothers you.

Jewish courts are also widely used in Jewish communities within the UK and have been for centuries.

I don't understand your problem.

Because, I can't believe I'm about to say this, I agree - sort of with HMH. There should NOT be a separate body deciding the fate of British subjects. I don't care if it's jewish or islamic. The issue that concerns many and I presume this is what HMH is getting his knickers in a knot is that there is a vocal minority who see Islam as a progressive religion who do want to see sharia law throughout the UK and for the UK to become an Islamic nation.

But they're not deciding the fates of anybody who doesn't want to be tried under that law. First and foremost both parties have to agree to be tried under the Sharia Court or the Jewish Courts. Secondly, it's only marital and domestic cases and the like. Criminal cases still have to be dealt with by English Law, and thirdly it doesn't over-rule English Law and it never will.

The fact that Jewish Courts have been in action for centuries, whilst still being over-ridden by English law suggests that it's work-able and has zero effect on non-Jewish people.

I don't even understand the paranoia that England will become an Islamic nation, given that only roughly 5% of the population are infact Muslims. Even then you're looking at a very miniscule percentage of that population who would be in favour of a full Sharia Law.

In fact i find it more worrying that we have a much greater population who would gladly enforce the death penalty, support the supposed War on Terror and get rid of all the foreigners.

It worries me even further that you partially agree with HTH. A self confessed homphobic, BNP voter.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I can't figure out if this is stupid or genuis. It's a belter of a post that only Jaz has picked up on.

Sharia already exists in Britain is Muslim communities. I'm assuming your not a Muslim so i see no reason why this bothers you.

Jewish courts are also widely used in Jewish communities within the UK and have been for centuries.

I don't understand your problem.

Because, I can't believe I'm about to say this, I agree - sort of with HMH. There should NOT be a separate body deciding the fate of British subjects. I don't care if it's jewish or islamic. The issue that concerns many and I presume this is what HMH is getting his knickers in a knot is that there is a vocal minority who see Islam as a progressive religion who do want to see sharia law throughout the UK and for the UK to become an Islamic nation.

But they're not deciding the fates of anybody who doesn't want to be tried under that law. First and foremost both parties have to agree to be tried under the Sharia Court or the Jewish Courts. Secondly, it's only marital and domestic cases and the like. Criminal cases still have to be dealt with by English Law, and thirdly it doesn't over-rule English Law and it never will.

The fact that Jewish Courts have been in action for centuries, whilst still being over-ridden by English law suggests that it's work-able and has zero effect on non-Jewish people.

I don't even understand the paranoia that England will become an Islamic nation, given that only roughly 5% of the population are infact Muslims. Even then you're looking at a very miniscule percentage of that population who would be in favour of a full Sharia Law.

In fact i find it more worrying that we have a much greater population who would gladly enforce the death penalty, support the supposed War on Terror and get rid of all the foreigners.

It worries me even further that you partially agree with HTH. A self confessed homphobic, BNP voter.

A few things to address, we have a strong BNP presence in our city and I somewhat vomit everytime they start up. BUT the reasons people vote for them are a little more complex than labelling everyone as a goose-stepping nazi. A good portion are, a good chunk have allowed themselves to be manipulated but the more sensible ones have concerns that need to be dealt with rather than just saying you're wrong.

Regarding sharia/jewish law. Your point makes no sense. BRITISH law deals with marital and domestic cases. Religion should keep it's nose out. I apply the standards here as if I lived abroad, I wouldn't expect to invoke english law if I lived in spain.
How vocal have the jewish lobbies been in expressing the extension of jewish religious law? Not very. This is what is concerning people - the appearance of forced social change by a minority coupled with the fact that anyone who wants to openly discuss it is labelled racist.

I know this is difficult to discuss without sounding like HMH

[ono]

Because, I can't believe I'm about to say this, I agree - sort of with HMH. There should NOT be a separate body deciding the fate of British subjects. I don't care if it's jewish or islamic. The issue that concerns many and I presume this is what HMH is getting his knickers in a knot is that there is a vocal minority who see Islam as a progressive religion who do want to see sharia law throughout the UK and for the UK to become an Islamic nation.

But they're not deciding the fates of anybody who doesn't want to be tried under that law. First and foremost both parties have to agree to be tried under the Sharia Court or the Jewish Courts. Secondly, it's only marital and domestic cases and the like. Criminal cases still have to be dealt with by English Law, and thirdly it doesn't over-rule English Law and it never will.

The fact that Jewish Courts have been in action for centuries, whilst still being over-ridden by English law suggests that it's work-able and has zero effect on non-Jewish people.

I don't even understand the paranoia that England will become an Islamic nation, given that only roughly 5% of the population are infact Muslims. Even then you're looking at a very miniscule percentage of that population who would be in favour of a full Sharia Law.

In fact i find it more worrying that we have a much greater population who would gladly enforce the death penalty, support the supposed War on Terror and get rid of all the foreigners.

It worries me even further that you partially agree with HTH. A self confessed homphobic, BNP voter.

A few things to address, we have a strong BNP presence in our city and I somewhat vomit everytime they start up. BUT the reasons people vote for them are a little more complex than labelling everyone as a goose-stepping nazi. A good portion are, a good chunk have allowed themselves to be manipulated but the more sensible ones have concerns that need to be dealt with rather than just saying you're wrong.

Regarding sharia/jewish law. Your point makse no sense. BRITISH law deals with marital and domestic cases. Religion should keep it's nose out. I apply the standards here as if I lived abroad, I wouldn't expect to invoke english law if I lived in spain.
How vocal have the jewish lobbies been in expressing the extension of jewish religious law? Not very. This is what is concerning people - the appearance of forced social change by a minority coupled with the fact that anyone who wants to openly discuss it is labelled racist.

I know this is difficult to discuss without sounding like HMH

I agree that Religion in general should keep it's nose out. With all the scientific evidence of Evolution, i find it quite odd that people are prepared to dismiss it, and live this life as a precursor to a supposed afterlife.

Nobody is forcing social change. Sharia Law will have zero effect on everyone, except those who choose to use Sharia courts. The laws that stand under Sharia are governed by English Law. There will be a British legal authority present to advise and to make sure that court decisions do not conflict with British legal rules and precedent. So while we can debate the requirement of Sub-Legal systems, there is little point as it has no effect on the people opposing it.

Hadd punishments won't be an occurence in the UK, so don't worry.

In relation to your point on the BNP, you almost lost me when you said 'the more sensible ones.' Only the stupid or the racist would vote for them.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

But they're not deciding the fates of anybody who doesn't want to be tried under that law. First and foremost both parties have to agree to be tried under the Sharia Court or the Jewish Courts. Secondly, it's only marital and domestic cases and the like. Criminal cases still have to be dealt with by English Law, and thirdly it doesn't over-rule English Law and it never will.

The fact that Jewish Courts have been in action for centuries, whilst still being over-ridden by English law suggests that it's work-able and has zero effect on non-Jewish people.

I don't even understand the paranoia that England will become an Islamic nation, given that only roughly 5% of the population are infact Muslims. Even then you're looking at a very miniscule percentage of that population who would be in favour of a full Sharia Law.

In fact i find it more worrying that we have a much greater population who would gladly enforce the death penalty, support the supposed War on Terror and get rid of all the foreigners.

It worries me even further that you partially agree with HTH. A self confessed homphobic, BNP voter.

A few things to address, we have a strong BNP presence in our city and I somewhat vomit everytime they start up. BUT the reasons people vote for them are a little more complex than labelling everyone as a goose-stepping nazi. A good portion are, a good chunk have allowed themselves to be manipulated but the more sensible ones have concerns that need to be dealt with rather than just saying you're wrong.

Regarding sharia/jewish law. Your point makse no sense. BRITISH law deals with marital and domestic cases. Religion should keep it's nose out. I apply the standards here as if I lived abroad, I wouldn't expect to invoke english law if I lived in spain.
How vocal have the jewish lobbies been in expressing the extension of jewish religious law? Not very. This is what is concerning people - the appearance of forced social change by a minority coupled with the fact that anyone who wants to openly discuss it is labelled racist.

I know this is difficult to discuss without sounding like HMH

I agree that Religion in general should keep it's nose out. With all the scientific evidence of Evolution, i find it quite odd that people are prepared to dismiss it, and live this life as a precursor to a supposed afterlife.

Nobody is forcing social change. Sharia Law will have zero effect on everyone, except those who choose to use Sharia courts. The laws that stand under Sharia are governed by English Law. There will be a British legal authority present to advise and to make sure that court decisions do not conflict with British legal rules and precedent. So while we can debate the requirement of Sub-Legal systems, there is little point as it has no effect on the people opposing it.

Hadd punishments won't be an occurence in the UK, so don't worry.

In relation to your point on the BNP, you almost lost me when you said 'the more sensible ones.' Only the stupid or the racist would vote for them.

let's call some of them 'disaffected'. There are many people who protest voted BNP.

[ono]

A few things to address, we have a strong BNP presence in our city and I somewhat vomit everytime they start up. BUT the reasons people vote for them are a little more complex than labelling everyone as a goose-stepping nazi. A good portion are, a good chunk have allowed themselves to be manipulated but the more sensible ones have concerns that need to be dealt with rather than just saying you're wrong.

Regarding sharia/jewish law. Your point makse no sense. BRITISH law deals with marital and domestic cases. Religion should keep it's nose out. I apply the standards here as if I lived abroad, I wouldn't expect to invoke english law if I lived in spain.
How vocal have the jewish lobbies been in expressing the extension of jewish religious law? Not very. This is what is concerning people - the appearance of forced social change by a minority coupled with the fact that anyone who wants to openly discuss it is labelled racist.

I know this is difficult to discuss without sounding like HMH

I agree that Religion in general should keep it's nose out. With all the scientific evidence of Evolution, i find it quite odd that people are prepared to dismiss it, and live this life as a precursor to a supposed afterlife.

Nobody is forcing social change. Sharia Law will have zero effect on everyone, except those who choose to use Sharia courts. The laws that stand under Sharia are governed by English Law. There will be a British legal authority present to advise and to make sure that court decisions do not conflict with British legal rules and precedent. So while we can debate the requirement of Sub-Legal systems, there is little point as it has no effect on the people opposing it.

Hadd punishments won't be an occurence in the UK, so don't worry.

In relation to your point on the BNP, you almost lost me when you said 'the more sensible ones.' Only the stupid or the racist would vote for them.

let's call some of them 'disaffected'. There are many people who protest voted BNP.

That's true. I think HTH's was a protest vote.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

In relation to your point on the BNP, you almost lost me when you said 'the more sensible ones.' Only the stupid or the racist would vote for them.

Strongly disagree.

Labour hasn't had a clue how to deal with the immigration problems in the U.K.
The only party even talking about these problems are the BNP and that unfortunately has an affect on the people who have lost faith in Lab/ Con/ Lib Dem with regards to Immigration.

And as for your 5% minority statistic, well you can stick that up your harris mate cause i as well as anyone who lives in a urban are of a major city knows that statistic counts for shit