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Because, I can't believe I'm about to say this, I agree - sort of with HMH. There should NOT be a separate body deciding the fate of British subjects. I don't care if it's jewish or islamic. The issue that concerns many and I presume this is what HMH is getting his knickers in a knot is that there is a vocal minority who see Islam as a progressive religion who do want to see sharia law throughout the UK and for the UK to become an Islamic nation.
But they're not deciding the fates of anybody who doesn't want to be tried under that law. First and foremost both parties have to agree to be tried under the Sharia Court or the Jewish Courts. Secondly, it's only marital and domestic cases and the like. Criminal cases still have to be dealt with by English Law, and thirdly it doesn't over-rule English Law and it never will.

The fact that Jewish Courts have been in action for centuries, whilst still being over-ridden by English law suggests that it's work-able and has zero effect on non-Jewish people.

I don't even understand the paranoia that England will become an Islamic nation, given that only roughly 5% of the population are infact Muslims. Even then you're looking at a very miniscule percentage of that population who would be in favour of a full Sharia Law.

In fact i find it more worrying that we have a much greater population who would gladly enforce the death penalty, support the supposed War on Terror and get rid of all the foreigners.

It worries me even further that you partially agree with HTH. A self confessed homphobic, BNP voter.
A few things to address, we have a strong BNP presence in our city and I somewhat vomit everytime they start up. BUT the reasons people vote for them are a little more complex than labelling everyone as a goose-stepping nazi. A good portion are, a good chunk have allowed themselves to be manipulated but the more sensible ones have concerns that need to be dealt with rather than just saying you're wrong.

Regarding sharia/jewish law. Your point makse no sense. BRITISH law deals with marital and domestic cases. Religion should keep it's nose out. I apply the standards here as if I lived abroad, I wouldn't expect to invoke english law if I lived in spain.
How vocal have the jewish lobbies been in expressing the extension of jewish religious law? Not very. This is what is concerning people - the appearance of forced social change by a minority coupled with the fact that anyone who wants to openly discuss it is labelled racist.

I know this is difficult to discuss without sounding like HMH
I agree that Religion in general should keep it's nose out. With all the scientific evidence of Evolution, i find it quite odd that people are prepared to dismiss it, and live this life as a precursor to a supposed afterlife.

Nobody is forcing social change. Sharia Law will have zero effect on everyone, except those who choose to use Sharia courts. The laws that stand under Sharia are governed by English Law. There will be a British legal authority present to advise and to make sure that court decisions do not conflict with British legal rules and precedent. So while we can debate the requirement of Sub-Legal systems, there is little point as it has no effect on the people opposing it.

Hadd punishments won't be an occurence in the UK, so don't worry.

In relation to your point on the BNP, you almost lost me when you said 'the more sensible ones.' Only the stupid or the racist would vote for them.