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    Default Re: I was disappointed with Cotto's trainer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy View Post
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    I'm not sure who the old guy was in Cotto's corner but when he told him "we are here for you" man that was some emotional shit. Only in boxing

    Was 0 help. He should sack them all.
    ...I think the old guy was Cotto's dad


    Felix Trinidad Sr. might be a good trainer for Miguel

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    I was disappointed with his work in the corner between rounds.. Cotto would just come in from have his style beat, and the trainer didn't offer many things to adjust, or things to focus on.. It was more a quick pep talk, and it was getting cotto relaxed a bit and ready for another round..

    But tactically Cotto had to do the analysis and make the adjustments, as far as I could tell..

    And that is where the experience needed to come in right through the camp, to at least have a plan B if Pac's speed was to much, etc etc...

    But it's easy to say that after the fight of course...

    I can see why Cotto wanted to battle on though and give Cotto that chance to fight on, but it's that old thing "Safety and quiting a fight that you just arn't going to win VS battling it out and showing your heart and pride"...

    There is still a lot of heart and pride in our boxers today and you got to really love that.. Especially from guys like Cotto.. But for the trainer, you gotta look after your fighters safety, sometimes even if the fighter doesn't agree..

    This is a tough one for me,,, I have to be honest...
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    Corner? What corner? Coming from a Cotto fan, this is going to sound harsh... but Cotto doesn't have a corner. He has a bunch a groupies and "yes-men" and until he gets a REAL corner, this is as high as Cotto goes. Sad and blunt, but true.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Corner? What corner? Coming from a Cotto fan, this is going to sound harsh... but Cotto doesn't have a corner. He has a bunch a groupies and "yes-men" and until he gets a REAL corner, this is as high as Cotto goes. Sad and blunt, but true.

    It did seem that way to me from watching the 24/7 and the fight. Cotto needed for some reason to be the one always calling the shots and so seemed to have attracted the "yes man" team. I don't know too much about Cotto outside of his fights but have been involved in work situations where the boss only wants yes men around and anyone who speaks up about poor decisions is no longer around, even if they are very experienced and skilled. Eventually there is failure. And the Cotto corner between rounds in this fight to me was a perfect example of this. It just seemed to me that they knew their job was to do whatever they were told like through the camp, as Cotto seemed to have developed this sense of unrealistic self importance. Then in the fight no-one knew what to do when the pressure was on. Their job was to make him feel good about himself, that didn't seem to be effective in the strategy for the fight. Cotto couldn't adjust on his own and got smashed. At that level experience and results from a trainer are so important and the fighter needs to respect and trust in that. There was no experience or proven results from the trainer and Cotto seemed to want to do it all on his own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Corner? What corner? Coming from a Cotto fan, this is going to sound harsh... but Cotto doesn't have a corner. He has a bunch a groupies and "yes-men" and until he gets a REAL corner, this is as high as Cotto goes. Sad and blunt, but true.

    It did seem that way to me from watching the 24/7 and the fight. Cotto needed for some reason to be the one always calling the shots and so seemed to have attracted the "yes man" team. I don't know too much about Cotto outside of his fights but have been involved in work situations where the boss only wants yes men around and anyone who speaks up about poor decisions is no longer around, even if they are very experienced and skilled. Eventually there is failure. And the Cotto corner between rounds in this fight to me was a perfect example of this. It just seemed to me that they knew their job was to do whatever they were told like through the camp, as Cotto seemed to have developed this sense of unrealistic self importance. Then in the fight no-one knew what to do when the pressure was on. Their job was to make him feel good about himself, that didn't seem to be effective in the strategy for the fight. Cotto couldn't adjust on his own and got smashed. At that level experience and results from a trainer are so important and the fighter needs to respect and trust in that. There was no experience or proven results from the trainer and Cotto seemed to want to do it all on his own.
    His strength conditioner seems to be quite good, his fat friend seems to get the logistic task done too, the biggest problem is the main coach, the main piece of the board. He's a nutritionist of formation for Christ sake, how can you put a nutritionist of formation as head coach when you're preparing yourself for the Waterloo fight, especially when the coach on the other hand is a friggin mastermind? Between the round Santiago's work was ludicrous, it was more panicking or "relax, relax, it's good, it's good", no useful advices, nothing. I hope Cotto won't ruin his career with him and send him back to his nutritionist job ASAP and find a real good one like Ronnie Shield or Pat Burns.
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    Cotto Put On A Good Fight Even Tho Pac Wus To Fast For Him. Now For His Trainer He Did The Right Thing Not Stopping It Early, He Felt Cotto Still Had Heart In Him To Go More Which He Does And See If They Can Come Up Wit The Ko Some Way Some How,

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    Default Re: I was disappointed with Cotto's trainer.

    Nobody had the authority to disagree with Cotto. He's the boss. One of his sparring partner gave him trouble in the ring, and instead of rewarding him $1k, what did they do?... they fired his ass. Plus, wassup with the slow motion mitts work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyc champ View Post
    Cotto Put On A Good Fight Even Tho Pac Wus To Fast For Him. Now For His Trainer He Did The Right Thing Not Stopping It Early, He Felt Cotto Still Had Heart In Him To Go More Which He Does And See If They Can Come Up Wit The Ko Some Way Some How,
    Santiago did a shit job. No advices, no adjustment, nothing. HEll, I would have been better than him 10 times and God knows I am absolutely not a qualified trainer in any field, just give some advices, throw more, circle more on your right, double the jab, stuff like that. No. Nothing. As for stopping the fight early... perhaps not early in the fight. But damn earlier than the 11th round. It should have been stopped on the 8 or 9 at worst, it was a maniacal slaughter and Joe not only lacks the talent to talk and run a corner but he doesn't have the balls to protect his fighter. Pathetic.
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