Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
Quote Originally Posted by Nameless View Post
They are not all americans... beside, the bomb throwing has been damn not necessary as the Japanese were already willing to surrender, it was more to pass a message to the russkovs but that is all another story

So back on topic, can you find out who are some of them, Lyle?
I never said they all were Americans, I just said they were patriots.

Japan was NOT willing to surrender, have you ever looked at how many people on both sides were dying in the island hopping campaign building up to an actual invasion of Japan proper The bomb saved lives FACT...it wasn't much of a message to the Russians, they built their own bombs undeterred by the US having them already, so I fail to see your reasoning.

Why must everything be evil and war crimes with you I guess in your opinion we would have been better off losing World War II
Lyle... I can give you some very good lectures about it... one of my teacher in montreal was Michel Fortmann, one of the greatest expert about the nuclear question and nuclear history, he did showed us with documents proving Japan wanted to surrender but wanted to save the Emperor's life. The Americans knew it. The Brits too. They had nothing remaining, hell, they were charging machine guns platoons with their swords because they had nothing remaining. FACT. Meanwhile, not only wanting an inconditionnal surrender and to lend a message to the Russians (who, in conventional war had the advantage of 50 soldiers for one via the rest of Europe and 10 tanks vs 1. Everybody did fear the russians would invade the rest of Europe and Stalin did ponder it. Add to it that Truman wanted to justify the spending of 3 billions dollars (staggering for the time) for a military project that would have been useless otherwise, you have the reason why they wanted to drop the bomb. The thing to save life was just an added up propaganda. FACT. Japan had nothing remaining, almost no ammos, no tanks, no airplanes and no boats.