time for another weight class?

[Zilla]

I go with Bilbo on that one, passed a certain point, weight doesn't mean nothing from a human perspective, even that it is getting better not to carry too much to be more mobile and faster. To fight fully, Valuev would have to drop at least 40 pounds, would have more stamina, speed and mobility. At this stage, being the monster of the monster is impressive, look good on promotion but doesn't help anymore on the ring.

I don't think Valuev can drop 40lbs. I highly doubt the guy is capable of doing a significant amount of road work. Even though they weight around the same, Valuev's weight is detrimental to his body type as opposed to Shaquille O'Neil who has been running up and down a basketball court for years. Even now Shaq's body is starting to break down and I wouldn't be surprised if he has arthritic hips when he gets into his forties.
Plus look at Nikolay. He looks like a different breed of human, his porportions are all off. He may well be eating and exercising to his optimal ability and that's just the end result. The guy's got a carpet across his back for crap's sake.

[Kev]

Guys let's put something into perspective here, who are the BIG heavies who its supposedly unfair for them to be in the division?

I cannot think of a fighter in the whole history of boxing who was too big for the heavyweight division, in terms of the other heavyweights not being able to count with his size.

As I said before go above 260 lbs and there is nobody in the history of the sport who was any good.

ALL of the best heavyweights ever were reasonably sized.

Wladimir averages just over 240 lbs a fight. George Forman weighed over 250 lbs for his fight with Evander Holyfield, and weighed in over 220 in his prime, hardly a weight disadvantage.

Even Ali at his heaviest weighed in within a few pounds of how much Wlad regularly weighs.

These so called supersize heavyweights arn't really much bigger than the old greats, 10-15 lbs or so compared to the golden years of Foreman and Ali.

Vitali is a bit bigger around 250, but that's a fair upper size limit imo, Lennox was certainly able to hold his own with him.

The real giants above 275lbs are shockingly poor. In the whole history of boxing there has never been a great heavyweight above 275 lbs.

Simply put, 250 lbs is probably the maximum upper limit for a human being to weigh and be effective as a boxer. Beyond that extra bodyweight just detracts from other factors such as speed, mobility, stamina, skill and coordination etc.

If you made a superheavyweight division, all you would do is give opportunity to mediocre fighters, not even decent domestic level to become world champions.

Imo you would even have MMA freaks like that Hong man Choi, former Sumo star Akebono and Giant Silva all turning to professional boxing and fighting for WBC and WBA world titles

If we had a superheavyweight division this would be our future champs.

GIANT SILVA



Hong Man Choi




Akebono




Seriously, would ANYONE want these representing the highest weight class in our sport?

[ICB]

Guys let's put something into perspective here, who are the BIG heavies who its supposedly unfair for them to be in the division?

I cannot think of a fighter in the whole history of boxing who was too big for the heavyweight division, in terms of the other heavyweights not being able to count with his size.

As I said before go above 260 lbs and there is nobody in the history of the sport who was any good.

ALL of the best heavyweights ever were reasonably sized.

Wladimir averages just over 240 lbs a fight. George Forman weighed over 250 lbs for his fight with Evander Holyfield, and weighed in over 220 in his prime, hardly a weight disadvantage.

Even Ali at his heaviest weighed in within a few pounds of how much Wlad regularly weighs.

These so called supersize heavyweights arn't really much bigger than the old greats, 10-15 lbs or so compared to the golden years of Foreman and Ali.

Vitali is a bit bigger around 250, but that's a fair upper size limit imo, Lennox was certainly able to hold his own with him.

The real giants above 275lbs are shockingly poor. In the whole history of boxing there has never been a great heavyweight above 275 lbs.

Simply put, 250 lbs is probably the maximum upper limit for a human being to weigh and be effective as a boxer. Beyond that extra bodyweight just detracts from other factors such as speed, mobility, stamina, skill and coordination etc.

If you made a superheavyweight division, all you would do is give opportunity to mediocre fighters, not even decent domestic level to become world champions.

Imo you would even have MMA freaks like that Hong man Choi, former Sumo star Akebono and Giant Silva all turning to professional boxing and fighting for WBC and WBA world titles

If we had a superheavyweight division this would be our future champs.

GIANT SILVA



Hong Man Choi




Akebono




Seriously, would ANYONE want these representing the highest weight class in our sport?

Good post totally agree.

[Lance Uppercut]

Boxing needs less weight divisions; not more.

[Cleon]

Boxing needs less weight divisions; not more.

Right on m'man
Cut out a lot of these bull jr. divisions

[Drago]

some good posts here, & they all make sense. what i was thinking was a superheavy divison cos i wouldnt have to watch all these useless twats ever again

[TitoFan]

Just because there's never been a good supersized heavyweight in the history of boxing, doesn't mean there couldn't be one in the future. I don't buy into that. If fans don't want another division (I sure don't either), then limit the weight of heavyweights to a maximum. Over 275 pounds... you're too big. Again... just 'cause Valuev and a couple of other circus freaks haven't taken advantage of their huge size, that doesn't mean someone couldn't come along, with the abilities and dedication to compete at a high level. THEN what? Do we just hand him the belts and let him go home? No... if there's weight maximums in ALL the other weight divisions, there should also be one in the heavyweights. IMHO, of course.

[Nameless]

I go with Bilbo on that one, passed a certain point, weight doesn't mean nothing from a human perspective, even that it is getting better not to carry too much to be more mobile and faster. To fight fully, Valuev would have to drop at least 40 pounds, would have more stamina, speed and mobility. At this stage, being the monster of the monster is impressive, look good on promotion but doesn't help anymore on the ring.

I don't think Valuev can drop 40lbs. I highly doubt the guy is capable of doing a significant amount of road work. Even though they weight around the same, Valuev's weight is detrimental to his body type as opposed to Shaquille O'Neil who has been running up and down a basketball court for years. Even now Shaq's body is starting to break down and I wouldn't be surprised if he has arthritic hips when he gets into his forties.
Plus look at Nikolay. He looks like a different breed of human, his porportions are all off. He may well be eating and exercising to his optimal ability and that's just the end result. The guy's got a carpet across his back for crap's sake.

There is a couple of way to make somebody lose weight beside running, swimming is very very good and doesn't hurt your articulations, doing well planned seance of sauna helps a lot more than what we can imagine too. There is a couple of other ways like that. 40 pounds considering Valuev's size isn,t too much, the guy weights something like 320-340 pounds, something like that. On a 7 feet frame monster, it's not that much, look at his physical, he definitely has some huge overcarried stuff. With 30-40 pounds less, he would be a lot more effective and personally, I think that for his frame, it is something achievable, just perhaps not with running as you underlined correctly.

[p4pking]

No, of course not.. Bilbo's post was bang on, there' just nothing to warrant even thinking about it as long as none of these huge guys are actually any good. Upon hearing the idea you'd imagine there are all these real athletes around 215 who can fight but just can't hang in there with monters like Briggs or Valuev. Given the state of the division today the notion is completely ridiculous.. The Super HW champion of the world wouldn't have a hope in hell vs either Klitschko reigning a division lower, and you could go back in the sport picking any number of guys under 220 who would mop the ring with them if they were fighting today, whats the intruige?